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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Fade and Die said:
If that is true then it’s worked beyond their wildest dreams! Do you not think if Labour had a different leader they would already be in government by now? I certainly do.
Boris is very similar to Trump but not in the ways some on here think, you look at him and think “there is no way I’m voting for that twat”... then you look at the opposition and think “oh christ!” And put your cross next to his name. That’s how Trump got in, fear of Hilary.
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If you are unsure on how to vote I would discard the individuals and look at which party has the best policies for the country.
I am sure that is how most folk vote.

I also believe most folk think that both the Labour and Tory party leaders are outstandingly inept.
 
SocketRocket said:
Re: the bold bit. My point is that to label anyone a Liar is a very powerful accusation and one used too often without full consideration of the facts. I dont label people Liars as it is Lazy and used in many cased to support a persons personal agenda.
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It’s a FACT he’s lied, it’s not an accusation it’s a matter of record.

It’s no different to you making an excuse over the Benn act, he was making the promises about 31st Oct without having control of either the HoC’s or even his Party, surely the sensible way forward was to see how he got on before he spoke.

Even his deal lost the DUP support with them claiming he was going back on his words.
 
Hobbit said:
So you want to forget Corbyn's past but bring up Johnson's past? Mmm, does that sound fair and equitable?



Jennie Formby, the name I couldn't remember, Labour General Secretary briefed Corbyn that all the antisemite cases had been resolved. Google her and look at her involvement.

Last Tuesday the Jewish Labour Movement submitted hundreds of unresolved cases to the Equalities Commission who, along with the Met Police, are currently investigating Labour. Do you think the JLM would risk submitting hundreds of false claims to the Equalities Commission? Would anyone be that stupid?

BTW, being a critic of Corbyn doesn't make the councillor wrong. He may be but maybe he isn't. And I'd expect Labour to dig the dirt on him, just as I'd expect any party to do so. Just hope he hasn't got the Brown Shirts (Momentum) banging on his door.
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I dislike Corbyn, I dislike Johnson, for different reasons though.

I take your point over the past, the difference (in my head) is with Johnson is they are still continuing to this day.

Part of the reports yesterday is those hundreds of cases sent to the EHCR was stating those cases are not new, but the cases that either the JLM didn’t agree with the outcome or the claimant refused the decision, so in effect not actually new.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
If you are unsure on how to vote I would discard the individuals and look at which party has the best policies for the country.
I am sure that is how most folk vote.

I also believe most folk think that both the Labour and Tory party leaders are outstandingly inept.
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Obviously not most folk as they still get the most votes, probably find most folk outside the SNP find NS inept.
 
SocketRocket said:
Re: the bold bit. My point is that to label anyone a Liar is a very powerful accusation and one used too often without full consideration of the facts. I dont label people Liars as it is Lazy and used in many cased to support a persons personal agenda.
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Can it be assumed then that you wouldn't be at all bothered if your MP lied to his constituents in the manner Boris lied to his...
 
Boris is not disclosing exactly how many children he has on purpose. It's just that he is a very busy man with lots of important stuff to remember to do like 'Getting Brexit Done', and is famously not at his best when it comes to exact details. #factcheck
 
Well 3 weeks out and it's not looking good for those of us who want to remain... or at least want to have a final say (which I accept is almost wholly Remainers).

Tories leading by double figures in many polls with Labour and the Lib Dems not having any game changing moments thus far.

Reasons for optimism...
* Tory manifesto still not launched. My guess is that that will be lacking in detail and could be potential for another Theresa May 'dementia tax' moment when Boris and others are questioned on some of the details and are basically on the back foot for a week or more.
* Tactical voting. There are still a LOT of people who want to remain and perhaps there is enough potential for people to take a closer look at their own constituency and ultimately vote for the party best placed to beat the Tories in that seat. I'd imagine a lot of this tactical element will not be picked up in opinion polls and many people may not make this decision until quite late.
* Polling wrong? I've seen some posts suggesting the reason the polls didn't pick up that Labour was so close in 2017 is that they under-estimated turnout among younger age groups. Even if this is the case - likely the Tories still have enough votes to play with at the moment.
* The Tories need a majority, all the remain side have to do is stop them getting that. i.e. they don't need Labour to win, or even get more seats than the Tories... they just need Lab + SNP + LD + PC + Green + Inds to get to around 320 combined. Wishful thinking, but if Lab can hold anything like 250 seats, then we could be in business.
 
Priti Patel is right when she says you can't blame the government who has been in power for nearly 10 years for poverty. Or indeed anything, Brexit not getting done, shortage of police, schools being underfunded, increased use of food banks etc etc.

It is a fact that Labour caused the global economic crash ages ago and this was compounded by Gordon Brown selling off the gold cheaply. And this has directly led to the current state of society. #factcheck

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pauldj42 said:
Easier to deflect.(y)
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Equally couldn't that point be directed back at you as each time someone mentions Corbyn misdemeanours you deflect back to Boris..

Boris has told lies, Corbyn has told lies, Swinson has told lies.. None of the leading parties "Leaders" and their cabinets can ever be accused of being truthful and worthy of being trusted. Sadly this election is not a case of who we think is the best person to lead the country based on their upstanding morals but one based on who do we mistrust the least. It's a sad state of affairs to be in.
 
Wolf said:
Equally couldn't that point be directed back at you as each time someone mentions Corbyn misdemeanours you deflect back to Boris..

Boris has told lies, Corbyn has told lies, Swinson has told lies.. None of the leading parties "Leaders" and their cabinets can ever be accused of being truthful and worthy of being trusted. Sadly this election is not a case of who we think is the best person to lead the country based on their upstanding morals but one based on who do we mistrust the least. It's a sad state of affairs to be in.
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Show me Corbyns and Swinsons lies, show me were they have been sacked for lying.
As SR keeps saying Liar is a harsh word.

Totally agree all Politicians are untrustworthy, but that’s a big difference to actual being a proven liar
 
Grant85 said:
Well 3 weeks out and it's not looking good for those of us who want to remain... or at least want to have a final say (which I accept is almost wholly Remainers).

Tories leading by double figures in many polls with Labour and the Lib Dems not having any game changing moments thus far.

Reasons for optimism...
* Tory manifesto still not launched. My guess is that that will be lacking in detail and could be potential for another Theresa May 'dementia tax' moment when Boris and others are questioned on some of the details and are basically on the back foot for a week or more.
* Tactical voting. There are still a LOT of people who want to remain and perhaps there is enough potential for people to take a closer look at their own constituency and ultimately vote for the party best placed to beat the Tories in that seat. I'd imagine a lot of this tactical element will not be picked up in opinion polls and many people may not make this decision until quite late.
* Polling wrong? I've seen some posts suggesting the reason the polls didn't pick up that Labour was so close in 2017 is that they under-estimated turnout among younger age groups. Even if this is the case - likely the Tories still have enough votes to play with at the moment.
* The Tories need a majority, all the remain side have to do is stop them getting that. i.e. they don't need Labour to win, or even get more seats than the Tories... they just need Lab + SNP + LD + PC + Green + Inds to get to around 320 combined. Wishful thinking, but if Lab can hold anything like 250 seats, then we could be in business.
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Tongue in cheek..
Boris is making the manifesto up as he goes along .. a couple of promises here and there.

But seriously
Watching him on the news last night and the response was interesting, he is definitely preying on the optimistic with goldfish memories. He makes very bold statements and fails to carry them through and blames others for their failures .. are they lies, well that can be debated, but the issue is he doesn't think things through and that is a car crash waiting to happen.
 
Old Skier said:
Jess Phillips had a moment of honesty on national TV openly stating that she doubts Labour will meet all its manifesto commitments. As I've posted before, this is the person Labour need as their leader, they'd walk into No 10.
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but to be fair the Tory's havn't met many of there election manifesto's promises from the last two parliments
 
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