drdel
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That will drag in more imports, so China, Germany etc will be happy - but the balance of payments perhaps not so !
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That will drag in more imports, so China, Germany etc will be happy - but the balance of payments perhaps not so !
chrisd
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drdel
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SocketRocket
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Don't know what you're advocating, would you like a communist society where everyone has the same wealth no matter what they do and it's all state controlled? When you say a fairer society for all is that in respect of opportunities or wealth.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And so - Johnson's great announcement to the CBI conference is that he will not be including a cut in corporation tax in the Tory Party manifesto - oh how he laughed...oh how the CBI laughed. Curious. Someone advising must be thinking of the cost of the promises made to the public and the cost of Brexit - especially if we leave end 2020 without a deal agreed.
SocketRocket
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And what's wrong with that? Surely a government should be thinking of the costs.
drdel
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As yuo enjoy knocking the Tories because of they are toffs and have 'Public' school origins, I came across this... enjoy!
This conveyor load of ex-public faces for Conservative Pary Leader generating:
Margaret Thatcher: Grammer School
John Major: Grammar School
William Hague: Comprehensive School
Iain Duncan Smith: Secondary Modern
Micheal Howard: Grammar School
David Cameron: Private/Public School (fee paying)
Theresa May: Grammar School
Boris Johnson: Private/Public School (won a scholarship, the Kings Scholarship represents the original ethos of Eton to provide schooling for 70 poor boys a year. Not to say that at the time the Johnson family was impoverished, but neither were they fabulously wealthy. His father had worked hard in academic research (never a high salary profession) to a decent job at the European Commission).
So 6:2 in favour of the State, and likely if Johnson hadn't won a scholarship, he also would have been in the State sector.
Labour:
James Callaghan; Grammer School
Micheal Foot: Private/Public School
Neil Kinnock: Comprehensive School
John Smith: Grammar School
Margaret Beckett: State Secondary
Tony Blair: Private/Public School
Gordon Brown: State Secondary
Harriet Harman: Private/Public School
Ed Miliband: Comprehensive School
Jeremy Corbyn: Grammar School
didn't his brother go to Eton too... did he get a scholaship too or is it just coinsidence?
MegaSteve
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Not many there, I suspect, have much experience in the school of life in the real world...
drdel
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Oh come on you can do better.
You might want to know Iain Duncan Smith - father was a used car salesman turned RAF fighter ace. Straight into the army from school. Attended Secondary Modern for 4 years; when I was young, the secondary moderns were where you went if you couldn't get into Grammar School.
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Didn't IDS attend Pangbourne?
ANd his brother certainly went to a public school as he was a classmate of mine.
drdel
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Don't know about ID-S and Pangbourne or his brother, so you could be right.
My post was really just saying there ain't much 'class' difference in the origins of either Tory or Labour's front end.
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True, and for some years now both sides of the House have been largely populated by "professional politicians" with very little, if any, experience of the real world.
On another thread I once advanced the old dictum that a country gets the politicians it deserves.
Which makes me wonder what on earth we have done to merit this current lot!
SocketRocket
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From Wikipedia :
Duncan Smith was educated at Bishop Glancey Secondary Modern, Solihull, until the age of 14,[5] then until he was 18 at HMS Conway, a Merchant Navy training school on the Isle of Anglesey, where he played rugby union in the position of fly-half alongside Clive Woodward at centre. In 1975, he attended the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and was commissioned into the Scots Guards.[6]
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I can assure you that his was not a typical secondary modern background.
SocketRocket
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Maybe not but not overtly privalidged.
HMS Conway is a boarding school that is run like a MN ship... he was there around the time I visited with my parents with a view to attending. Very old fashioned "Mr Chips" air to it.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Sorry - when did I do this? - I certainly can't recall having done so. In general I have no idea of the schooling of Tory Ministers or MPs and frankly care less - the Eton educated ones are highlighted in the media but in truth there are not that many of them.
Being able to relate to Joe or Jane Public is not a simple function of your schooling - rather I suspect it is more to do with the attitudes and values that you develop during your schooling and university education - plus your associations and friendships in the network of contacts that you develop and subsequently utilise.
See Johnson's response to the question How can people connect to you...
Am I relatable? I've not the faintest idea...
Doon frae Troon
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Two pro Brexit party leaders have a free pop on National TV at the parties who do not support Brexit plus another free pop at their other election policies.
That does strike me as being very British.
And before the very boring 17.2m start up...…...one of pro Brexit party leaders has called it the 'Brexit election'.
That does strike me as being very British.
And before the very boring 17.2m start up...…...one of pro Brexit party leaders has called it the 'Brexit election'.
ger147
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You can't be picking which court judgements you like and which you don't, need to take the rough with the smooth.
The court cases were merely a stunt by the Lib Dems and SNP for some more coverage during the campaign, took the judges all of 10 mins to throw the case out.
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