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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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ColchesterFC said:
RE: the first bit in bold - how many of those are essential and worth spending what could end up being over £100 billion on?

RE: both bits in bold - is there anything in the things you've listed that can't be done with regular/standard broadband and actually requires fibre broadband? Why will people "rely on a fast broadband connection" when all of what you've listed can be done on standard broadband?

I occasionally have to transfer data to one of the offices that I've been working for. On a big job this could be 300+GB in total. I'm on standard broadband at home and can transfer the data in an hour or two. If they need anything iquicker than that I'll separate that bit out and send it first for them to look at and then send the rest. I can also use my current broadband provision for video calls/Skype etc without issues. These things don't need fibre broadband and I would guess that for over 95% of the population this will be true. Why not focus on getting decent standard broadband to everyone rather than spending however many extra billions it will cost to go full fibre? Whenever I speak to someone that has fibre broadband they normally tell me how great it is because they can download a film in X seconds. Well great, but do we as a country need to spend £100 billion (+/-) so that 95% of the population can save 90 seconds downloading a film?
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To me they are all essential.

As others have said its about future proofing. In 10 years time Skype and what we use the Internet for now will be about as relevant as Friends Reunited is now.

And as for waiting for 2 hours to transfer that data then imagine how much more productive you would be if you could do that in 5 minutes and didn't have to spend time splitting files up. Or how any employers would choose where to base themselves, in areas where it takes 2 hours to transfer data or 5 minutes.

If all you think the major benefit is is to quickly download a film then to me that is kind of missing the point of how the Internet will be so integrated into society in 10 years time.

Type in 'growth of Internet use' into Google and look at the trend. That ain't going to slow down any time soon.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
To me they are all essential.

As others have said its about future proofing. In 10 years time Skype and what we use the Internet for now will be about as relevant as Friends Reunited is now.

And as for waiting for 2 hours to transfer that data then imagine how much more productive you would be if you could do that in 5 minutes and didn't have to spend time splitting files up. Or how any employers would choose where to base themselves, in areas where it takes 2 hours to transfer data or 5 minutes.

If all you think the major benefit is is to quickly download a film then to me that is kind of missing the point of how the Internet will be so integrated into society in 10 years time.

Type in 'growth of Internet use' into Google and look at the trend. That ain't going to slow down any time soon.
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If online shopping, entertainment and posting on forums are "essential" to you then IMO you need to reevaluate your life. How can it be considered as future proofing when we have no idea if there will be technology available in 10 or 20 years time that supersedes the use of fibre broadband?

Personally I would be no more productive if I could transfer the data in 5 minutes - but that might just be the area I work in. My normal modus operandi is to post a hard drive back to the office with all the data on when I get home from ajob. Uploading via FTP is around 5% of the jobs I go on and even then it's never really that time critical. In fact, I can't think of any situation or industry where decisions are so critical that they depend on rapidly transferring large quantities of data.

I'm happy to accept that I might be a luddite or that I just don't get it but I can't see why in 99% of cases standard broadband isn't good enough for what's needed and that fibre broadband is an unnecessary expense for very little or no gain.
 
drdel said:
As Bercow would have said...the eyes have it, the eyes have it...

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Please dont let him kiss me.
 
IanM said:
...the someone else is those nasty rich folk over there ! Trouble is, their definition of "rich folk" is anyone earning over £25k pa!

We all know we are going to get pre-election bull-pooh promises from all of them. But I wish they stood up to basic scrutiny. (eg free fibre BB, that will almost certainly be obsolete by 2030, £15 ph for jobs that will disappear if you have to pay £15ph for them. )

In this, Labour are less good at lying than the Tories! :)
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The UK has a massive rich poor divide.
It is about time a levelling happened to put us in line with what is considered normal in most civilised countries.
Best to do it peacefully before it reaches the stage of riots and civil disorder.
 
ColchesterFC said:
If online shopping, entertainment and posting on forums are "essential" to you then IMO you need to reevaluate your life. How can it be considered as future proofing when we have no idea if there will be technology available in 10 or 20 years time that supersedes the use of fibre broadband?

Personally I would be no more productive if I could transfer the data in 5 minutes - but that might just be the area I work in. My normal modus operandi is to post a hard drive back to the office with all the data on when I get home from ajob. Uploading via FTP is around 5% of the jobs I go on and even then it's never really that time critical. In fact, I can't think of any situation or industry where decisions are so critical that they depend on rapidly transferring large quantities of data.

I'm happy to accept that I might be a luddite or that I just don't get it but I can't see why in 99% of cases standard broadband isn't good enough for what's needed and that fibre broadband is an unnecessary expense for very little or no gain.
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Going to need the bb speed every where to utilise automated systems, self driving vehicles, communications between signals etc.
The other thing is we don’t get fast as quickly as we get bigger. So the current level is not enough. It’s under stress as are areas of settlement.. de centralise and we help ourselves.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50441707

So er what ares Labours policies exactly. We know some of them. But as I read it. Delegates passed motions at conferance re Labours future policy on migration etc. Now labours senior bigwigs are discussing whether to have them in there manifesto. :oops:. What's the point in having a vote if it's not listened to. Oh hang on.
 
spongebob59 said:
https://reaction.life/how-corbyn-go...alisation-numbers-wrong-by-a-factor-of-three/
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Parties making absolute BS claims about how much they will spend or how much the oppositions BS promises will cost shocker.

It's just one steady stream of absolute BS spending claims as that is what we have been reduced to. Poling has shown that the electorate wants to see spending increased so it's open season on how much you can say you'll spend. Then open season on someone else saying that the figures don't add up.
 
harpo_72 said:
Really? Looks all very hypothetical anyway. Plus it doesn’t make a note of the taxes that will be deployed on FB, Amazon etc ...
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Peston tweeted it so I assume he did his research, btw what makes you think the like a of fb and amazo n will stump upnthere tax ?? Their more likely to run further away.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Parties making absolute BS claims about how much they will spend or how much the oppositions BS promises will cost shocker.

It's just one steady stream of absolute BS spending claims as that is what we have been reduced to. Poling has shown that the electorate wants to see spending increased so it's open season on how much you can say you'll spend. Then open season on someone else saying that the figures don't add up.
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Then after another decade of austerity.
 
spongebob59 said:
Peston tweeted it so I assume he did his research, btw what makes you think the like a of fb and amazo n will stump upnthere tax ?? Their more likely to run further away.
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Because if someone did actually have the balls to make them pay what they owe they would not run a mile because they'd still be turning a massive profit. They pay feck all because they get away with it not because they're doing us a massive favour.
 
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