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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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ScienceBoy said:
Its very important people vote if they can.
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why?

what use is me voting in a consituency where the incumbent has a 25k majority and I wouldnt wipe the current leaders of the main parties off the bottom of my shoes if I trod in them? this is from someone who has voted in every single election i have been able to since the very early 1990s (town,local, general, european etc etc) seriously, the whole lot of them currently are an utter disgrace, why is it important that I vote?
 
Tashyboy said:
ly one

harpo, in October 1992 the tories announced the closure of 30 pits. mine was one of them. i had moved house in March 1992 and had took on a 35k mortgage. i sat at the top of the garden, head in hands, tears in my eyes thinking wtf. how will i cope. Maggie did that. my loathing of the Tories is only matched by the inept performance of this current shower of crap that claim to be the opposition party. they should be smashing this Tory party. not just beating them. There is only one question to ask. Why not.
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John Major was Tory PM in 92, Thatcher was finished in 1990.
 
fundy said:
why?
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We are lucky to have a functioning democracy, there are countries around the world where votes mean little or people can’t even vote.

If people can vote they should try to, especially now eyes are on this result around the world more than normal. A record turnout would be something amazing.
 
ScienceBoy said:
We are lucky to have a functioning democracy, there are countries around the world where votes mean little or people can’t even vote.

If people can vote they should try to, especially now eyes are on this result around the world more than normal. A record turnout would be something amazing.
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why would a record turn out be amazing? why does it matter what the eyes round the world think and why do they care about turnout % in a british election?

for me a really low turnout would prove what an utter show the current encumbents and their opposition are

what am i missing?
 
fundy said:
for me a really low turnout would prove what an utter show the current encumbents and their opposition are
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I can see your point there but my feelings towards voting outweigh that for me, only just though as I agree with your sentiment but not how to act on it.

I still feel strongly that it shouldn’t stop people and I bet there are a lot who feel the same way as you in regards to voting.
 
harpo_72 said:
And he was a plonk, followed by more plonks .. and chancellors who knew sweet FA.
They took us to recession and my parents never recovered.
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Just confused Tashy blaming Thatcher, wasn’t she the PM during the strike? Surely that was the time to get upset at her?
 
harpo_72 said:
And he was a plonk, followed by more plonks .. and chancellors who knew sweet FA.
They took us to recession and my parents never recovered.
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Which recession was that ? There was one in 91 and then in 2008 ?
 
Lots of MPs standing down this time round.
Ours confirmed this afternoon that he was going...
Tories could put up a dead hedgehog as a candidate and it would comp home with a 10-15k majority.....
 
At this point in time what do we see. Given the distrust of the Tories, the loathing of Corbyn and lack of ANO party getting a majority are we not heading back to a hung government and reliant on other party support and deals. We've seen in the current sitting hoe ineffectual that is, especially on Brexit. What is best case/worse case scenario
 
ScienceBoy said:
I can see your point there but my feelings towards voting outweigh that for me, only just though as I agree with your sentiment but not how to act on it.

I still feel strongly that it shouldn’t stop people and I bet there are a lot who feel the same way as you in regards to voting.
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Have always been the same, a big advocate of you have to vote, if you dont vote then you have no right to criticise etc etc. For the first time I genuinely have no idea who to vote for or why but I could bore you for an hour + on why not to vote for them. I have zero respect for the self serving nature of the majority of them
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Which recession was that ? There was one in 91 and then in 2008 ?
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91, we started to feel it from 90 till about 95.
He could have folded the business and told the creditors hard luck, instead he did the decent thing and paid them off.
The bank jacked up the interest rates and forced them into loans .. interest rates were pretty stupidly high.
The lesson for me was just look at your mortgage and think if interest rates grow to 14% how much will it cost .. The 2008 recession was nothing, never felt it, did not touch them or me. He was winding down for retirement so wasn’t bothered he was doing little bits.
First I knew about 2008 recession was the ironing lady say she could not justify coming to us because her major banking client was leaving for the Caribbean- he must have known it was going sh*t shaped.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Are you seriously saying that ?

Which poster has just finished a massive round the world holiday , which poster continuely posts about his holidays abroad etc etc etc

For someone who has been more “screwed over than anyone else “ you seem to be doing rather well -

I think before making statements like that you should considered there are many who prob can’t afford to live the life you do on here.
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I thought this too.
 
ScienceBoy said:
Its very important people vote if they can.
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Wrong!

Its very important that people have the choice. That is THE freedom, the freedom to choose. And deciding not to vote is exercising that choice as much as voting for someone is.

But a question back at you. If not one single person/party is worthy of your vote do you think you should still vote?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Must be tough being an English voter not one honest party to vote for apart from the Greens or any Independents.
Lots of spoiled ballot papers I think.
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Your right crap all of them.
Caught the greens candidate putting a leaflet through my door and asked him.” Is this recycled paper “ he didn’t know.
First question without a proper answer.
 
Hobbit said:
Wrong!

Its very important that people have the choice
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Can’t fault that, people MUST have the choice.

My opinion is that people should then choose to vote if they can, and not choose to not with an excuse. Some people do have legitimate reasons not to however and that must be respected.

Hobbit said:
But a question back at you. If not one single person/party is worthy of your vote do you think you should still vote?
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I would still want to turn out, I still choose to vote. There are legal ways to turn up but not cast a vote for a particular candidate.
 
Tashyboy said:
You know what Pat, your personal insults aside. You last post quite frankly is pathetic and shows exactly what is wrong with this forum. You asked a direct question and I gave you a direct answer. I cannot do anymore. Try to understand this. I am a floating voter. As are millions of others in this country. That's why we get differant partys that govern every so often. The Torys are a shower of Shiote. The Labour Party are a bigger shower of Shiote. Being a floating voter who over the years has voted Labour, Tory and Libs, lib dems. I can say it as I see it. You with your rose tinted glasss cannot. There is another blog going on in the OOB. It is about what's wrong with some folk on this forum. It should but it won't strike a chord with you. Understand this. Not everyone has the same view as you ( or me) and if you don't like it, and cannot accept it. Well the forum will have it own mini version of Brexit where no one respects anyone.

Pat as a collier I have been screwed over more than anyone on this forum. 250,000 miners lost there jobs in an industry I loved. We knew the Tories were our sworn enemy. The Labour party could of been our saviour. They were not. We financially supported them through thick and thin and they Shoit on us from a great height, and yet I am now to forget.

Here's a simple question for you. Is Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn the best that Labour has to offer. If they are they will spend a long time in the wilderness. I will be the first to stand up and say I am praying for a rejuvanated Labour, this present bunch are unfit to govern, but I have already said that.
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What personal insults are these?i asked you what policy labour had you didn't like and all you came back with was brexit and labour screwed you over and left no money in the treasury.

Corbyn may not be your saviour but against the other candidates for LL he is who the party voted for. but he at least has stuck to his guns though his political career, maybe the big change this countty needs, as for a abbott, i don't judge her on what is sprouted by the Right wing press. Jezzer was picked by the Membership of the labour party, would someone else be more appealing to floaters, probably.. but thats not who the membership voted for...

As for screwing over the Miners. Maggie did that, she also stripped the unions of its money and power to undermine the Labour party in essence, undid may of the good things it had done for this country, as for Labour not standing up for the miners i would read a few history books if i were you rather than the Daily mail. As for leaving the Treasury empty, a bit of right wing spin by the incoming Tory Gov, When Labour took power in 97 they inherited a deficit left by the torys. and dont forget the banking Crisis all caused by the deregulation of banking and the shift to banking services by the torys, so you think a conservative Gov wouldn't have bailed the banks out??

at the moment we have a society where the rich are getting richer, hundreds of thousands using food banks, the NHS in crisis and about to be flogged of to the yanks. Rail networks making huge profits without delivery any service like many of the Idustrys that were denationalsed water etc. Where companys pay millions to failing CEO, laying of manay many workers.

in the 80 and 90 the torys wanted Victorian Values, we a heading that way.., with a sprinkling of American values to boot, workers rights kicked to the kerb.

I for one don't want to go back that for this country
 
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