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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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patricks148 said:
Election Policy, not Brexit its only the Torys and Ukip that wanted it a few years ago.
Ok i'll ask in a different way, apart from Brixit,, which wasn't a thing until recently, what policies of the Labour party don't you like?
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But that's just it, it does not have to be about just about policies. I am a miner by trade. Labour have had millions out of my unions. The miners pensions are being robbed by Tory governments. The Labour party had a chance to rectify that brown and Bliar both ignored our pension robbery. Guess what, labour mps say they will now fight our case, nowt to do with righting a wrong, more to do with wanting votes. They are not doing it for the right reason, they are doing it for popularity.
How much better off per week under labour or the tory party will the average household be financially worth. A quid here or there. Yet my personal pension I must be £50- 100 per week worse off. Labour could of sorted that.
Let's not talk about "the banks empty note" when the Torys took over. What about a war Bliar took us into over WMD. For me its not just about policies.
 
My MP, whether I supported the Tories or not, cannot seriously get my vote.

She stated on Twitter that she thought Esther McVey should be PM🥴.
As she is obviously delusional 🤒 I don’t believe she should be allowed back into parliament.
So anyone but Pauline Latham has a chance👍
 
Our lass, who will lose her payroll job come brexit is too lazy to have re registered to vote as we moved home and have her say against brexit. She doesn’t watch the news and scourns at my viewing of BBC Parliament. I suspect she isnt aware of the upcoming election. And I ain’t telling her either!

Not decided who I’m voting for yet, I need to see campaign reactions. despite my Conservative party membership but it will be a pro brexit one.
 
Was looking in my area at the options.
Frankly speaking Tory’s have Boris’ deal, Labour sat on the fence so could leave or stay but are talking about a possible deal that has yet to be negotiated (pie in the sky until done) , Lib Dem- stay.
Greens - stay
Independent- pointless no one knows and will be courted by the mainstream parties ( possible champagne sipping turn coat!)
So for me it’s simple forget all the other stuff it’s totally pointless this is about Brexit and that needs to be squared away before we can concentrate properly on national policy.
So it’s a case of make your decision, break with convention and make your Brexit opinion heard.
 
Voting in Christchurch for the first time. Despite his unpopularity with how he goes about business in the commons I struggle to see how Christopher Chope will not be re-elected, he has a 25,000 majority in an area that voted strongly to leave. So we get a nicely acrimonious campaign that ultimately counts for nothing as he gets re-elected with a decent majority. Only tiny possibility would be if a decent independent stood against him
 
fundy said:
Voting in Christchurch for the first time. Despite his unpopularity with how he goes about business in the commons I struggle to see how Christopher Chope will not be re-elected, he has a 25,000 majority in an area that voted strongly to leave. So we get a nicely acrimonious campaign that ultimately counts for nothing as he gets re-elected with a decent majority. Only tiny possibility would be if a decent independent stood against him
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Like a lot of things, the press give half a story and go for sensational headlines, where half a truth becomes an untruth.
His opposition to some Bills was done because he wished there to be proper scrutiny of the " wished for" law. IIRC, he wanted the subject matter properly scrutinised and presented and in that event, he would have voted for it.
However, perhaps his opposition in principle, though merited in some respects, may have meant the matter might never get introduced as legislation, so he should have weighed this in his judgement. That may have been his failing,rather than the apparent opposition to what was being proposed.
In respect of at least one emotive subject it could seem very uncaring.
He clearly, to my mind, puts much importance on the means to an end: sometimes though the end is overwhelmingly vital.
 
Tashyboy said:
But that's just it, it does not have to be about just about policies. I am a miner by trade. Labour have had millions out of my unions. The miners pensions are being robbed by Tory governments. The Labour party had a chance to rectify that brown and Bliar both ignored our pension robbery. Guess what, labour mps say they will now fight our case, nowt to do with righting a wrong, more to do with wanting votes. They are not doing it for the right reason, they are doing it for popularity.
How much better off per week under labour or the tory party will the average household be financially worth. A quid here or there. Yet my personal pension I must be £50- 100 per week worse off. Labour could of sorted that.
Let's not talk about "the banks empty note" when the Torys took over. What about a war Bliar took us into over WMD. For me its not just about policies.
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Obviously you just want to pick the bad thing under labour... and forget the the positives in workers rights, the NHS, etc etc..good for you Maggie will be proud of you;)
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Like a lot of things, the press give half a story and go for sensational headlines, where half a truth becomes an untruth.
His opposition to some Bills was done because he wished there to be proper scrutiny of the " wished for" law. IIRC, he wanted the subject matter properly scrutinised and presented and in that event, he would have voted for it.
However, perhaps his opposition in principle, though merited in some respects, may have meant the matter might never get introduced as legislation, so he should have weighed this in his judgement. That may have been his failing,rather than the apparent opposition to what was being proposed.
In respect of at least one emotive subject it could seem very uncaring.
He clearly, to my mind, puts much importance on the means to an end: sometimes though the end is overwhelmingly vital.
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I fully understand why he has done a lot of what he has, but I think part of the reason he feels able to do so is that it is such a safe seat as a Tory and that even with the bad press, petitions, local objections etc he is is still a shoe in to retain his seat at the next election. That enables him to make a stance that actually has decent reasoning underpinning it, just that he goes about it in a way that can provoke an emotional reaction in certain situations by putting the procedure and the accuracy over the actual policy sometimes. Pretty sure he wouldnt be acting as he does if he had a marginal seat not such a secure one though
 
patricks148 said:
Obviously you just want to pick the bad thing under labour... and forget the the positives in workers rights, the NHS, etc etc..good for you Maggie will be proud of you;)
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You know what Pat, your personal insults aside. You last post quite frankly is pathetic and shows exactly what is wrong with this forum. You asked a direct question and I gave you a direct answer. I cannot do anymore. Try to understand this. I am a floating voter. As are millions of others in this country. That's why we get differant partys that govern every so often. The Torys are a shower of Shiote. The Labour Party are a bigger shower of Shiote. Being a floating voter who over the years has voted Labour, Tory and Libs, lib dems. I can say it as I see it. You with your rose tinted glasss cannot. There is another blog going on in the OOB. It is about what's wrong with some folk on this forum. It should but it won't strike a chord with you. Understand this. Not everyone has the same view as you ( or me) and if you don't like it, and cannot accept it. Well the forum will have it own mini version of Brexit where no one respects anyone.

Pat as a collier I have been screwed over more than anyone on this forum. 250,000 miners lost there jobs in an industry I loved. We knew the Tories were our sworn enemy. The Labour party could of been our saviour. They were not. We financially supported them through thick and thin and they Shoit on us from a great height, and yet I am now to forget.

Here's a simple question for you. Is Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn the best that Labour has to offer. If they are they will spend a long time in the wilderness. I will be the first to stand up and say I am praying for a rejuvanated Labour, this present bunch are unfit to govern, but I have already said that.
 
Tashyboy said:
You know what Pat, your personal insults aside. You last post quite frankly is pathetic and shows exactly what is wrong with this forum. You asked a direct question and I gave you a direct answer. I cannot do anymore. Try to understand this. I am a floating voter. As are millions of others in this country. That's why we get differant partys that govern every so often. The Torys are a shower of Shiote. The Labour Party are a bigger shower of Shiote. Being a floating voter who over the years has voted Labour, Tory and Libs, lib dems. I can say it as I see it. You with your rose tinted glasss cannot. There is another blog going on in the OOB. It is about what's wrong with some folk on this forum. It should but it won't strike a chord with you. Understand this. Not everyone has the same view as you ( or me) and if you don't like it, and cannot accept it. Well the forum will have it own mini version of Brexit where no one respects anyone.

Pat as a collier I have been screwed over more than anyone on this forum. 250,000 miners lost there jobs in an industry I loved. We knew the Tories were our sworn enemy. The Labour party could of been our saviour. They were not. We financially supported them through thick and thin and they Shoit on us from a great height, and yet I am now to forget.

Here's a simple question for you. Is Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn the best that Labour has to offer. If they are they will spend a long time in the wilderness. I will be the first to stand up and say I am praying for a rejuvanated Labour, this present bunch are unfit to govern, but I have already said that.
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Are you seriously saying that ?

Which poster has just finished a massive round the world holiday , which poster continuely posts about his holidays abroad etc etc etc

For someone who has been more “screwed over than anyone else “ you seem to be doing rather well -

I think before making statements like that you should considered there are many who prob can’t afford to live the life you do on here.
 
Tashyboy said:
You know what Pat, your personal insults aside. You last post quite frankly is pathetic and shows exactly what is wrong with this forum. You asked a direct question and I gave you a direct answer. I cannot do anymore. Try to understand this. I am a floating voter. As are millions of others in this country. That's why we get differant partys that govern every so often. The Torys are a shower of Shiote. The Labour Party are a bigger shower of Shiote. Being a floating voter who over the years has voted Labour, Tory and Libs, lib dems. I can say it as I see it. You with your rose tinted glasss cannot. There is another blog going on in the OOB. It is about what's wrong with some folk on this forum. It should but it won't strike a chord with you. Understand this. Not everyone has the same view as you ( or me) and if you don't like it, and cannot accept it. Well the forum will have it own mini version of Brexit where no one respects anyone.

Pat as a collier I have been screwed over more than anyone on this forum. 250,000 miners lost there jobs in an industry I loved. We knew the Tories were our sworn enemy. The Labour party could of been our saviour. They were not. We financially supported them through thick and thin and they Shoit on us from a great height, and yet I am now to forget.

Here's a simple question for you. Is Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn the best that Labour has to offer. If they are they will spend a long time in the wilderness. I will be the first to stand up and say I am praying for a rejuvanated Labour, this present bunch are unfit to govern, but I have already said that.
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Only thing I don't agree with is Corbyn and Abbott aren't the best they have to offer

They have so many decent MPs , potential leaders , cobryn just won the vote he didn't even want to win! He was pushed into leadership he's a protest politician
 
pauljames87 said:
Only thing I don't agree with is Corbyn and Abbott aren't the best they have to offer

They have so many decent MPs , potential leaders , cobryn just won the vote he didn't even want to win! He was pushed into leadership he's a protest politician
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if thats the case why doesnt he stand down for the good of the party and most likely for the good of the country?
 
Tashyboy said:
You know what Pat, your personal insults aside. You last post quite frankly is pathetic and shows exactly what is wrong with this forum. You asked a direct question and I gave you a direct answer. I cannot do anymore. Try to understand this. I am a floating voter. As are millions of others in this country. That's why we get differant partys that govern every so often. The Torys are a shower of Shiote. The Labour Party are a bigger shower of Shiote. Being a floating voter who over the years has voted Labour, Tory and Libs, lib dems. I can say it as I see it. You with your rose tinted glasss cannot. There is another blog going on in the OOB. It is about what's wrong with some folk on this forum. It should but it won't strike a chord with you. Understand this. Not everyone has the same view as you ( or me) and if you don't like it, and cannot accept it. Well the forum will have it own mini version of Brexit where no one respects anyone.

Pat as a collier I have been screwed over more than anyone on this forum. 250,000 miners lost there jobs in an industry I loved. We knew the Tories were our sworn enemy. The Labour party could of been our saviour. They were not. We financially supported them through thick and thin and they Shoit on us from a great height, and yet I am now to forget.

Here's a simple question for you. Is Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn the best that Labour has to offer. If they are they will spend a long time in the wilderness. I will be the first to stand up and say I am praying for a rejuvanated Labour, this present bunch are unfit to govern, but I have already said that.
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I can sympathise completely with your view and I feel the same about the current Labour Party.
IMO the NHS will be cattle trucked if the Tories stay in power, and I am pretty unsure that the current Labour Party know what to do with it.
Frankly speaking we have too extreme main parties one far left and one far right ...
 
harpo_72 said:
I can sympathise completely with your view and I feel the same about the current Labour Party.
IMO the NHS will be cattle trucked if the Tories stay in power, and I am pretty unsure that the current Labour Party know what to do with it.
Frankly speaking we have too extreme main parties one far left and one far right ...
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ly one

harpo, in October 1992 the tories announced the closure of 30 pits. mine was one of them. i had moved house in March 1992 and had took on a 35k mortgage. i sat at the top of the garden, head in hands, tears in my eyes thinking wtf. how will i cope. Maggie did that. my loathing of the Tories is only matched by the inept performance of this current shower of crap that claim to be the opposition party. they should be smashing this Tory party. not just beating them. There is only one question to ask. Why not.
 
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