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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Doon frae Troon said:
Handcock immediately raising the stupidity bar with 'A vote for any other party would let Corbyn in'
Any minute now we will hear a Labour spokesperson respond with 'A vote for any other party would let Johnson back in'.
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...and whilst Hancock ended up saying that government trade officials would never sit down with the US on trade with the cost of medicines on the table - he wouldn't explain why over recent weeks and months government trade officials have been sitting down with US trade officials (or big pharma) with the cost of medicines on the table.

Doesn't exactly bode well for an open and honest airing of what's going to be on offer.
 
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Grant85 said:
It's just the nature of politics. People are stupidly idealistic if they think a party or candidate will mirror their views exactly.

I guess I've been fortunate in that I've been able to vote SNP and had a very clear conscious and been fairly motivated to do that. I don't agree with everyone and everything, but they are clearly the party most suited to my views.

If they weren't standing or I lived elsewhere, I would almost certainly still vote - but would end up voting tactically or voting for the least bad candidate.

I guess there will be pro-remain Tories who will feel homeless - especially if the Lib Dems have no chance of winning in their seat.

In Scotland, there will definitely be pro-remain people in an SNP / Tory marginal who won't agree with independence, but will have to make a decision.

Spoiler Effect
Worth reading this for people considering voting for parties who are a poor 3rd or worse in their area.
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Was up home in Mearns quite a bit in lead up to 2015 election and from what I heard of her I thought Kirsten Oswald was fine - guessing she'll be the EastRen candidate again. I was also rather impressed by the ability of the SNP to organise and mobilise mass motor 'cavalcades' - the SNP seem really well organised on the ground.
 
Interesting time in Jarrow. Currently Stephen Hepburn is suspended from labour and likely to lose backing. A decade old sexual harassment case. He’s been in post since 97, and is seen very much as part of a political “family” that has dominated the seat for generations.

The interesting part will be if he decides to run as an independent, I think it’s unlikely, but it could feasibly split the labour vote in half. Therefore paving the way for BxP to pick up a seat. The tories could descend from god himself and Jarrow still wouldn’t vote them in!
60% leave constituency, although Nissan right on the doorstep.
 
robinthehood said:
I live in an very strong remain area but also a Tory stronghold... if tory are the party of brexit i wonder what that will mean for my current MP.
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Very pro exit here in Havering , conservative strong hold

I remember writing to my mp once when I saw a house fire and the fire service selflessly running in saving lifes (just as Boris was closing fire stations ) she actually defended the policy of closing them in her letter back

For me that's when I moved away from the conservatives. I couldn't back a party who would defend closures of such an important service that anyone could need at any time.

They want the NHS gone, have for years but money you can see right they pay for their care that's why they don't care about others

But the fire service? Could be their house on fire ! Or a loved one.. money won't save you then
 
pauldj42 said:
Makes no sense Tashy, you want the worst tory government in living history to continue for 5 more years in the hope we get a decent opposition the next time. So more of the same damage for 5yrs at what cost?
Maybe, just maybe, people should look at all the Party manifesto’s and make the decision on that rather than personalities as it’s very unlikely those Labour MP’s will lose their seats, and if they lose the election it’s only likely Corbyn will no longer be leader.
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Better the devil you know is my train of thought. The Torys are terrible, the Labour Party are diabolical. If that is the best that Labour can do when we have the worst Government in living history. A new brush needs to sweep clean in the Labour Party and preferably not whilst there in power. If Labour can sort themselves out and give us a viable alternative, hopefully the Tories may well look at themselves. If Not Farage will be rubbing his hands.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Was up home in Mearns quite a bit in lead up to 2015 election and from what I heard of her I thought Kirsten Oswald was fine - guessing she'll be the EastRen candidate again. I was also rather impressed by the ability of the SNP to organise and mobilise mass motor 'cavalcades' - the SNP seem really well organised on the ground.
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She is standing again.

FWIW, I think the Tory - Paul Masterton - is a decent chap. But has certainly allowed himself to get dragged into voting for Brexit and didn't do anything when a number of Tories were standing up against No Deal (and losing the whip).

I'm sure under non-constitutional terms, he'd have a good chance of winning comfortably given the demographics of the seat.

However, I'm not sure how it will play out in anti-independence / pro-remain East Ren. I'd guess the Tory vote will split and the SNP might win narrowly, with people making the assessment that the EU is the main issue of the day.
 
Similar to other posters on here, my mind is already made up so I intend to avoid all the election lies and drivel and will only tune in for the results. My wife is quite pleased as she will make a fair bit as a Returning Officer and postal vote packing. I might even get a decent Christmas present this year.
 
Tashyboy said:
Better the devil you know is my train of thought. The Torys are terrible, the Labour Party are diabolical. If that is the best that Labour can do when we have the worst Government in living history. A new brush needs to sweep clean in the Labour Party and preferably not whilst there in power. If Labour can sort themselves out and give us a viable alternative, hopefully the Tories may well look at themselves. If Not Farage will be rubbing his hands.
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So which are the particular Labour Policy you don't agree with and which Tory ones you do?
 
Tashyboy said:
Better the devil you know is my train of thought. The Torys are terrible, the Labour Party are diabolical. If that is the best that Labour can do when we have the worst Government in living history. A new brush needs to sweep clean in the Labour Party and preferably not whilst there in power. If Labour can sort themselves out and give us a viable alternative, hopefully the Tories may well look at themselves. If Not Farage will be rubbing his hands.
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So, you actually agree that it is tough being an English voter :love:
Who are you going to support ? [ or will you spoil your ballot paper or abstain.]
 
Cherry13 said:
Interesting time in Jarrow. Currently Stephen Hepburn is suspended from labour and likely to lose backing. A decade old sexual harassment case. He’s been in post since 97, and is seen very much as part of a political “family” that has dominated the seat for generations.

The interesting part will be if he decides to run as an independent, I think it’s unlikely, but it could feasibly split the labour vote in half. Therefore paving the way for BxP to pick up a seat. The tories could descend from god himself and Jarrow still wouldn’t vote them in!
60% leave constituency, although Nissan right on the doorstep.
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Whoever stands with the red rosette on their coat will win. I know SH is very much part of the fabric but ultimately Jarrow constituency is a Labour one, not a SH one. Will he get his case looked at in time?

It will be a good test of the Brexit party. Will the desire to leave over ride the default to vote Labour. I suspect the leave vote in the ref was as much to do with a protest against Westminster and to bloody the nose of the govt as it was to actually leave the EU. Do you think Brexit party will do well there?
 
patricks148 said:
So which are the particular Labour Policy you don't agree with and which Tory ones you do?
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You have unwittingly answered your own question there policies, let's take the most important thing this country has discussed in the last three and a half years. What exactly was there policy. It changed from day to day, one day they support a GE, the next they don't. I am a floating voter, the Torys are Rammel, Labour bigger Rammel. Lib dems a joke. I am all for changing your mind, I will sit on the fence when it comes to a lot of matters before I make up my mind. But to change your mind/ policy because it is popular, a favourite Labour trait. Is changing it for the wrong reasons.
 
Tashyboy said:
You have unwittingly answered your own question there policies, let's take the most important thing this country has discussed in the last three and a half years. What exactly was there policy. It changed from day to day, one day they support a GE, the next they don't. I am a floating voter, the Torys are Rammel, Labour bigger Rammel. Lib dems a joke. I am all for changing your mind, I will sit on the fence when it comes to a lot of matters before I make up my mind. But to change your mind/ policy because it is popular, a favourite Labour trait. Is changing it for the wrong reasons.
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Election Policy, not Brexit its only the Torys and Ukip that wanted it a few years ago.
Ok i'll ask in a different way, apart from Brixit,, which wasn't a thing until recently, what policies of the Labour party don't you like?
 
Seriously considering the Green Party for the first time in a GE. As I'm increasingly convinced they are the only party that will address the major issue facing society before it's too late.

Other parties too focused on hard line versions of their political ideologies or Brexit.
 
MegaSteve said:
If I was in charge of the Labour campaign... Right now I'd be organising a big red bus with a huge picture of JR-M emblazoned across it... Writ with a message along the the lines of... Do you really want Toffs in charge of your country?
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Sad thing is that I think due to our embedded class system a lot of people still do.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Whoever stands with the red rosette on their coat will win. I know SH is very much part of the fabric but ultimately Jarrow constituency is a Labour one, not a SH one. Will he get his case looked at in time?

It will be a good test of the Brexit party. Will the desire to leave over ride the default to vote Labour. I suspect the leave vote in the ref was as much to do with a protest against Westminster and to bloody the nose of the govt as it was to actually leave the EU. Do you think Brexit party will do well there?
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I think sadly you’re right regarding blind faith to the rosette. Although I’m historically a labour supporter I would like to see more challenge and pressure applied in constituencies which they take for granted. For too long people like SH have been negligent to constituents and not had any challenge.

In terms of his case; I believe they’ve cancelled all trigger ballots but are likely to remove support for him. (Chris Williamson and kelvin Hopkins who are all currently suspended are in the same boat)

I’m not 100% sure but I believe the Brexit party member is an ex Tory councillor, doesn’t seem a wise move. I think they’ll only stand a chance if SH runs and splits the vote.
 
Cherry13 said:
I think sadly you’re right regarding blind faith to the rosette. Although I’m historically a labour supporter I would like to see more challenge and pressure applied in constituencies which they take for granted. For too long people like SH have been negligent to constituents and not had any challenge.

In terms of his case; I believe they’ve cancelled all trigger ballots but are likely to remove support for him. (Chris Williamson and kelvin Hopkins who are all currently suspended are in the same boat)

I’m not 100% sure but I believe the Brexit party member is an ex Tory councillor, doesn’t seem a wise move. I think they’ll only stand a chance if SH runs and splits the vote.
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I’m not sure where it all goes from a legal stand point mind if suspended pending an investigation and then they remove support.
 
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