AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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IanM said:
Given Corbyn’s record on attendance at memorials for murderers and voting record against uk interests, he isn’t fit to be Prime Minister. I won’t even start on his duff economics and antisemitism.

Hopefully, Labour will lose heavily and he and his nasty chums will be booted out of the Party.
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Hopefully Boris will as well as he has some nasty chums. Plus he has no economic policy and will sell off the nhs.

Paving the way for the greens, Lib Dem’s and snp ... cool 🙂👍
 
pauldj42 said:
Try reading all my posts rather than just the ones that suit, I’ve openly criticised the Party and Leadership and tried at times to present both sides of an argument.
You are completely one sided and have not once criticised the tories whilst constantly defending the liar-in-chief.
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Oh the irony. I accept you are Labour blinkered and I accept I see little to commend Corbyn and his sidekicks but what you need to do is refrain from getting personal when someone disagrees with you. Look at the way people like Hobbit debate, they dont start insulting different opinions unless provoked first.

You posted a list of things that you suggested the Conservatives were responsible for. Thats OK as you are quite entitled to those opinions but when I make a counter argument you start getting personal and suggest you had to delete your post before you got an infraction. Just try and keep to the issues and accept people will have different views.
 
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SocketRocket said:
Oh the irony. I accept you are Labour blinkered and I accept I see little to commend Corbyn and his sidekicks but what you need to do is refrain from getting personal when someone disagrees with you. Look at the way people like Hobbit debate, they dont start insulting different opinions unless provoked first.
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Ignored. Otherwise mods will be on again and it’s never you. Thanks for the reply.
 
maxfli65 said:
Corbyn's neutrality on Brexit by putting it back to the people - cant decide if that's an effective stance or not. In my mind Brexit was never really along party lines back in 2016, so why should it be now? Boris has clearly been advised to push this as a weakness of leadership on Corbyn's behalf but I dont htink that works other than with diehard Tories, to the floating voters in the middle that could equally be a strength - seems Corbyn has seen the parliamentary deadlock, listened to public opinion on Brexit and doesn't want to alienate leavers or remainers who could vote Labour, not an unwise move tactically. In contrast Johnson has aliented all Tory remainers, that's not to say they wont still vote Conservative, but his whole premiership is built on leave and therefore he can never truly show impartiality or listen to reason on the matter or change his position. One leader is in the middle, other one is hard to one side - who's position is stronger?
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When Corbyn first said last night that he'd stay neutral I thought fair enough. But should he? What should he do if he wins the election and the deal he comes back from Brussels with is an absolute pile of poo? He has plenty of decent sources for advice that the man in the street doesn't have access to, and if they tell him its a no-go I want him to tell everyone that the advice he has received is x/y/z and that he feels its not a good deal.
 
Hobbit said:
When Corbyn first said last night that he'd stay neutral I thought fair enough. But should he? What should he do if he wins the election and the deal he comes back from Brussels with is an absolute pile of poo? He has plenty of decent sources for advice that the man in the street doesn't have access to, and if they tell him its a no-go I want him to tell everyone that the advice he has received is x/y/z and that he feels its not a good deal.
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I get that, it also bothers me, I’d like a leader that shows leadership.
Also him stating 6 months to get it over and done, what if it needs 7 months or 12 months to get the deal he’d like, is he going to accept whatever the EU say to keep his word? That was one of my issues with boris and his 31st Oct.
 
pauldj42 said:
I get that, it also bothers me, I’d like a leader that shows leadership.
Also him stating 6 months to get it over and done, what if it needs 7 months or 12 months to get the deal he’d like, is he going to accept whatever the EU say to keep his word? That was one of my issues with boris and his 31st Oct.
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This is partly why I think it will be an off the shelf deal with minor mods and a negotiation on cost. 6 months is too short for a total re-cut and referendum.
I am not averse to his proposal but I don’t think it will be better than remaining. But time will tell.
 
pauldj42 said:
I get that, it also bothers me, I’d like a leader that shows leadership.
Also him stating 6 months to get it over and done, what if it needs 7 months or 12 months to get the deal he’d like, is he going to accept whatever the EU say to keep his word? That was one of my issues with boris and his 31st Oct.
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Would he get accused of lying if it went past his 6 month deadline? ;)
 
harpo_72 said:
This is partly why I think it will be an off the shelf deal with minor mods and a negotiation on cost. 6 months is too short for a total re-cut and referendum.
I am not averse to his proposal but I don’t think it will be better than remaining. But time will tell.
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The way jezza the red has been talking, all the negotiating has already been done.
 
drdel said:
How can a 'Leader' be credible if there is no direction in which he's leading his Party?
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I'd argue that as much as people may dislike where the main parties are going depending on their political outlook, they paths they are taking is pretty explicit for all to see.
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'd argue that as much as people may dislike where the main parties are going depending on their political outlook, they paths they are taking is pretty explicit for all to see.
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I suspect that behind the scenes Corbyn is at odds with other senior cabinet members and has decided that saying he's neutral is better that a full blown split. It will be interesting if others in the party also stay neutral, if they get the chance.
 
SocketRocket said:
I suspect that behind the scenes Corbyn is at odds with other senior cabinet members and has decided that saying he's neutral is better that a full blown split. It will be interesting if others in the party also stay neutral, if they get the chance.
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Nah, he's got no where else to go.
Tory's are leave, Lib Dem's have hijacked remain so Labour have been forced to take the middle ground. Quite sad really, they're just playing the numbers game, nothing else.
 
I am amazed that the fact the 2 major parties are split on Brexit is news to anyone. As if they were not we would have been out about 2 years ago. The ironymeter is exploding when conservative voters implying that the fact the Labour party are not united on Brexit is a flaw.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
I am amazed that the fact the 2 major parties are split on Brexit is news to anyone. As if they were not we would have been out about 2 years ago. The ironymeter is exploding when conservative voters saying that the fact the Labour party are not united on Brexit is a flaw.
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It’s like Johnson whining about it taking 3 years and then blaming the HoC for it not being sorted yet! He forgets to mention it was his Party who had total control for 2 years whilst TM negotiated, then him and his cronies failed to back her deal.
 
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