AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
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I've yet to meet anyone who is quite happy to pay more income tax

Well now you know one who would be happy...and I have to say that I find it sad that none of your family, friends or acquaintances would.
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I agree in principle, but there are caveats, I'm sure you'll agree.
When taxes are wasted or spent on skivers, or on way out ideological schemes at the expense of deserving causes ( there are always some of these ), then it is understandable that people paying the tax are upset.
It doesn't take much to extrapolate that dissatisfaction into "all tax " is undesirable and should be reduced etc.
(And let's also not forget the influence of Robin Hood. Children of the UK have been brought up to hate the tax grabbing Sheriff, and to cheer good old Robin when he snatches the taxes back😁😁)

Seriously, if you live in a modern civilised society you cannot have it survive as such without taxes. If you get into trouble and dial 999 for help, you are spending money raised by taxes. Only a little of it is your money.
Take the U.S.. The most conservative country in the world ; considers its citizens the most resilient, free from Government interference etc. However, it always seems to have the best resources for Police, Fire brigade etc.
Even small towns have plenty of police officers ( sheriffs and deputies)
I am willing to bet that taxes in the States are not as low as their ideology would suggest. Indeed, I was informed recently that Pro golfers earning in the States lose about 45% in tax.?
Really, I don't think any person should object to paying reasonable taxes for the maintenance of a stable , secure society. It's the Government which has to be honourable enough to spend them wisely.
And that means having to make judgements when spending the taxes:not only deciding on who needs the money, but also whether they deserve it.
 
The union's are Labour's bigger donors ?
they have punch and judy under their control, I remember certain votes being rigged in their favour at conference.
 
patricks148 said:
as apposed to the great job the Conservatives have done in the last 9 years:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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Thats right, massively reduced the deficit from Gordon Browns over borrowing, slashed unemployment to the lowest levels since the 1970s, created huge numbers of new jobs, reduced interest rates so that mortgages are more affordable, no boom and bust economy, reduced state spending to more affordable levels, I could go on.
 
We've seen some of the manifestos, and we've heard many offerings and criticisms from the politicians. And, naturally, many of us have expressed our concerns, criticisms and satisfaction at what we've heard.

But what do we want?

If I'm honest, I don't care who ends up at Number 10 providing people could get a doctor's appointment same or the day after, as it used to be. That the NHS is properly funded. That social care is properly funded. Pensions at a level similar to the more affluent end of the EU 28's pension levels. I dare say we could all add to that list.

But there's always a but. How should it be funded? I don't like the atmosphere around the us and them that Labour is creating. Its calculated and its creepy. I don't like the naming of certain super-rich individuals, as Corbyn did, in support of the us and them. And I don't support the Tories tax cuts when there's so much not right.

What we see as wrong, costs money to put right. Chasing tax evasion, and closing tax avoidance loop holes won't get close to it. And spending money on re-nationalisation is spending money where it shouldn't be spent - let other people manage those businesses, and make the profits that can be properly taxed. And they carry the risks too.

But are you willing to fund the difference? And that's the nub of the problem, the funding of it wisely. Without taking too much off big business, and putting jobs at risk as those companies look to maintain what their shareholders expect(quite often your pension fund holders), how much a rise in income tax are you willing to take? How much are you willing to pay to ensure you and yours get a doc's appointment within 24hrs? How much are you willing to pay to ensure you and yours have good social care later in life?
 
SocketRocket said:
Thats right, massively reduced the deficit from Gordon Browns over borrowing, slashed unemployment to the lowest levels since the 1970s, created huge numbers of new jobs, reduced interest rates so that mortgages are more affordable, no boom and bust economy, reduced state spending to more affordable levels, I could go on.
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For balance:
Over the same period:
1000% increase in foodbank use.
Rough Sleeping increased by 165%
Homelessness increased by 41%
NHS waiting lists increased by 65%
Police numbers down by 17%
Crime recorded in England and Wales increased by 37%
Local Government funding down by 56%
I could go on.
 
patricks148 said:
That would be hard, he stepped down as SNP leader in 2014 and lost his seat as an MP in 2017, so not sure what he's got to do with anything... do try and keep up old boy;)
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In regards the accusations re Mr Salmond, i do hope i am wrong and he is innocent. However, i have a nasty Tashyboy itch that won't go away. It is regards to the amount of people involved and how much did people within the SNP allegedly know.
 
SocketRocket said:
Thats right, massively reduced the deficit from Gordon Browns over borrowing, slashed unemployment to the lowest levels since the 1970s, created huge numbers of new jobs, reduced interest rates so that mortgages are more affordable, no boom and bust economy, reduced state spending to more affordable levels, I could go on.
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you hav'nt reduced the def, we owe more now than when the tory's took over, yes you have created lots of low paying 0 hours contact jobs and fiddleled the Unemployment figures.
oh and you forgot Tax cuts to the rich, ecomomic uncertancy to placate right wing of the tory part and hundreds of thousand having to us food banks and in poverty... i could go on...
 
Well am half way through an RBL treasurers course, in essence a three year course condensed into 2 days. When i pass tomorrow i will check Labours figures.
 
Tashyboy said:
In regards the accusations re Mr Salmond, i do hope i am wrong and he is innocent. However, i have a nasty Tashyboy itch that won't go away. It is regards to the amount of people involved and how much did people within the SNP allegedly know.
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i don;t think he is innocent, ive had dealing with him and he is a narcissist ego maniac.. i hope they throw the book at him.
as i said he isn't leader, hasn't been in 5 years and is not an MP. this acucastions are against AS and not sure how you think this has and lasting effect on the SNP. its a abuse of power, it goes on not just in this instance,they tried to ivestgate and he took them to court and won.. its not right, personally i think they are well shot of him Nicola is far better

if you think this will have any influence on the election you are even thicker than i thought;)
 
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