AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

[PhilTheFragger]

Probably because it doesn’t have a value yet.
Of cause that will be inflated so the fact-check team can make some political hay with it.

Hang on a moment, we are looking at a massive amount of money here, can we take off the “red tinted, Corbyn can do no wrong “ specs and try and comprehend the sheer enormity of what is being suggested.

140 billion EXTRA a year

It’s unaffordable, simple as that, especially as there will be a brain drain and companies will move abroad to low tax areas.

I actually think that some of the labour policies are quite good, but they will simply be unable to do most of what they plan as the economics are in cloud cuckoo land.

It’s only 9 years ago that labour left that famous note saying there was no money left. This directly led to austerity which was bloody hard on many and should have been fairer. But ultimately necessary.

There is a whole new generation of young people who have never experienced a labour government and the political cycle that has Labour cocking up the economy, the Torys get voted in and Start to fix the economy, but it’s tough . They then get voted out and so on.

There is no magic money tree or forest, borrowing the sums needed to fund labours plans are impossible

It is in my mind a recipe for disaster.

I will comment in the same balanced way when I see the Tory manifesto

 

[chrisd]

Probably because it doesn’t have a value yet.
Of cause that will be inflated so the fact-check team can make some political hay with it.

So Corbyn lied then when he said his manifesto would be FULLY costed 😣

 

[harpo_72]

So Corbyn lied then when he said his manifesto would be FULLY costed 😣

Would you believe him if it did?

 

[Old Skier]

So Corbyn lied then when he said his manifesto would be FULLY costed 😣

Bit like the no no windfall tax statement on the gas industry less than a week ago.

 

[harpo_72]

Hang on a moment, we are looking at a massive amount of money here, can we take off the “red tinted, Corbyn can do no wrong “ specs and try and comprehend the sheer enormity of what is being suggested.

140 billion EXTRA a year

It’s unaffordable, simple as that, especially as there will be a brain drain and companies will move abroad to low tax areas.

I actually think that some of the labour policies are quite good, but they will simply be unable to do most of what they plan as the economics are in cloud cuckoo land.

It’s only 9 years ago that labour left that famous note saying there was no money left. This directly led to austerity which was bloody hard on many and should have been fairer. But ultimately necessary.

There is a whole new generation of young people who have never experienced a labour government and the political cycle that has Labour cocking up the economy, the Torys get voted in and Start to fix the economy, but it’s tough . They then get voted out and so on.

There is no magic money tree or forest, borrowing the sums needed to fund labours plans are impossible

It is in my mind a recipe for disaster.

I will comment in the same balanced way when I see the Tory manifesto

Have we not argued that the austerity policy has shrunk the economy? Meaning the Tory’s have made it worse as opposed to fixing it?
I know Brexit has been a distraction, but who unleashed that ??

 

[SocketRocket]

So Corbyn lied then when he said his manifesto would be FULLY costed 😣

Its the same as last time Chris. They say they will spend eye watering amounts of money then suggest it will be finded by tax increases for the rich and more borrowing and hey presto its fully funded.

 

[SocketRocket]

Have we not argued that the austerity policy has shrunk the economy? Meaning the Tory’s have made it worse as opposed to fixing it?
I know Brexit has been a distraction, but who unleashed that ??

Without austerity how would the national defecit be reduced? I can't remember hearing much complaint about the amount of austerity the EU inflicted on Greece.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Hang on a moment, we are looking at a massive amount of money here, can we take off the “red tinted, Corbyn can do no wrong “ specs and try and comprehend the sheer enormity of what is being suggested.

140 billion EXTRA a year

It’s unaffordable, simple as that, especially as there will be a brain drain and companies will move abroad to low tax areas.

I actually think that some of the labour policies are quite good, but they will simply be unable to do most of what they plan as the economics are in cloud cuckoo land.

It’s only 9 years ago that labour left that famous note saying there was no money left. This directly led to austerity which was bloody hard on many and should have been fairer. But ultimately necessary.

There is a whole new generation of young people who have never experienced a labour government and the political cycle that has Labour cocking up the economy, the Torys get voted in and Start to fix the economy, but it’s tough . They then get voted out and so on.

There is no magic money tree or forest, borrowing the sums needed to fund labours plans are impossible

It is in my mind a recipe for disaster.

I will comment in the same balanced way when I see the Tory manifesto

Please explain how the tories have fixed the economy in the last 10 years?

More foodbanks, thousands of deaths due to austerity, more homeless, more crime, less police, less Fire stations, bigger NHS waiting lists, oh and yes a bigger national debt that has trebled under the tories.

As for the note left at the treasury that has been explained time and time again that these notes were almost a tradition and light hearted.

I get previous Governments need time to turn things round, but come on you can’t keep blaming Labour for were we are today!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Manifesto released and it contains a pledge to reverse the cuts to corporation tax over the last decade. I think they've worded it very cleverly by saying that income tax and NI won't increase for anyone apart from the top 5%, those earning over £80k per year. But this rise in corporation tax will hit hundreds of thousands of people earning well below that level.

Please show me how, I’m not fully aware how that will happen.

 

[SocketRocket]

More than happy to help there.

The same borrowing that both main parties will need to do will be a reckless act of financial suicide if done by Labour and a sensible investment in the future of the country if done by the Tories. #factcheck.

Lets wait and see the comparative amounts and then you can #factcheck it for us.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Lets wait and see the comparative amounts and then you can #factcheck it for us.

Tories have already announced their manifesto won’t be costed.

 

[harpo_72]

So how much tax does google, amazon and Facebook generate?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Please show me how, I’m not fully aware how that will happen.

I earn less than £45k per year so am not a top rate tax payer and am definitely not in the top 5% of earners. A corporation tax rise from 19% to 26% would cost me approx £3.5k per year in extra corporation tax.

For clarity, since posting my earlier post I have read that there is a "small profits rate" of 21% and the main rate will be 26%. I can't find anything to explain what this actually means and if my company falls under the small profits rate the increase would be closer to £1k per year.

 

[SocketRocket]

Please explain how the tories have fixed the economy in the last 10 years?

More foodbanks, thousands of deaths due to austerity, more homeless, more crime, less police, less Fire stations, bigger NHS waiting lists, oh and yes a bigger national debt that has trebled under the tories.

As for the note left at the treasury that has been explained time and time again that these notes were almost a tradition and light hearted.

I get previous Governments need time to turn things round, but come on you can’t keep blaming Labour for were we are today!

 

[harpo_72]

Without austerity how would the national defecit be reduced? I can't remember hearing much complaint about the amount of austerity the EU inflicted on Greece.

Who knows, had they built the houses they said they would and not cut in other areas .. we might have known.

The Greeks operated a paper bag economy, the Italian’s do as well. Why is it harsh to not trust people who don’t pay their taxes and make sure they do pay back their debts?

 

[patricks148]

Hang on a moment, we are looking at a massive amount of money here, can we take off the “red tinted, Corbyn can do no wrong “ specs and try and comprehend the sheer enormity of what is being suggested.

140 billion EXTRA a year

It’s unaffordable, simple as that, especially as there will be a brain drain and companies will move abroad to low tax areas.

I actually think that some of the labour policies are quite good, but they will simply be unable to do most of what they plan as the economics are in cloud cuckoo land.

It’s only 9 years ago that labour left that famous note saying there was no money left. This directly led to austerity which was bloody hard on many and should have been fairer. But ultimately necessary.

There is a whole new generation of young people who have never experienced a labour government and the political cycle that has Labour cocking up the economy, the Torys get voted in and Start to fix the economy, but it’s tough . They then get voted out and so on.

There is no magic money tree or forest, borrowing the sums needed to fund labours plans are impossible

It is in my mind a recipe for disaster.

I will comment in the same balanced way when I see the Tory manifesto

whern did labour c ock up the econamy?? we owe more now tha when the torys took ove from laboutr, but the ecomomy srank, wages have frozen, we pay more in VAT..that when labour where in power yet 9 years of cuts and austerity to working people and the poorest hava paid the price, where the rich have got richer and richer and richer, for the damage banks had on the british ecomomy.... who paid for that???

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I earn less than £45k per year so am not a top rate tax payer and am definitely not in the top 5% of earners. A corporation tax rise from 19% to 26% would cost me approx £3.5k per year in extra corporation tax.

For clarity, since posting my earlier post I have read that there is a "small profits rate" of 21% and the main rate will be 26%. I can't find anything to explain what this actually means and if my company falls under the small profits rate the increase would be closer to £1k per year.

36years in the Army, got a monthly wage, I have no idea how this works, can you explain in idiot terms the bit in bold.
I do understand business’s may pass down costs to customers or no wage rises etc, but no idea in the way you’ve posted.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

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No idea what this is, on a phone so can’t see the small print sorry.

 

[patricks148]

a couple question for our tory friends.


Has rail and rail travel improved since privatisation and is it value for money

same for water..

 

[patricks148]

No idea what this is, on a phone so can’t see the small print sorry.

dear boy i think the work you would be looking for on this would be ..... "lies"