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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Lord Tyrion said:
I remember this being discussed last time around and I don't believe there was a definitive answer.

People quote the docks around Plymouth but that is too close to a population centre so that is ruled out.

The best suggestion, imo, was that it does not really matter where they are based as the key is the time they are out at sea. This means they could well be at a US submarine base, Sweden probably has the capability as well. Effectively rent space off them. Whether that is politically acceptable for UK politicians or actually practical I don't know.

The SNP want Scotland to be a nuclear free zone so it would be interesting to hear if they could be bought off over this.

Another option would be to make the nuclear docks an enclave for the remainder of the UK, a bit of the UK left in Scotland. Politically controversial but a possible way out of this.

Undoubtedly a problem due to the very special requirements of these submarines

Incidentally, if Scotland decides to leave the union it is because the Scottish people want it to happen, not because Brexiteers want to trade Scotland off. Last time I checked the Conservatives and Lib Dems have specifically said no to a further referendum, only Labour are open to another vote.
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You are quite right with the last para that’s why I raised the question in the context of Indyref2 having happened and a vote to leave the UK being the result - most likely driven in large part by the UK exiting the EU - especially were the exit a No Deal exit. Trident is a question that would need then to be answered, and I’m not hearing the Leave/Brexit politicians telling us of their plans were such a situation to arise.

I suspect a Scottish Government would take a pragmatic view of the timescales for removal of Trident. Timescales that would see the rUK government providing significant interim payments to Scotland as Scotland transitioned to an independent economy. And that period could easily be say 5yrs.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You are quite right with the last para that’s why I raised the question in the context of Indyref2 having happened and a vote to leave the UK being the result - most likely driven in large part by the UK exiting the EU - especially were the exit a No Deal exit. Trident is a question that would need then to be answered, and I’m not hearing the Leave/Brexit politicians telling us of their plans were such a situation to arise.

I suspect a Scottish Government would take a pragmatic view of the timescales for removal of Trident. Timescales that would see the rUK government providing significant interim payments to Scotland as Scotland transitioned to an independent economy. And that period could easily be say 5yrs.
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I would say it is not being talked about right now as it is not on the table for discussion. That is a completely separate issue, related purely to Scottish Independence. The only party talking positively about that right now is the SNP. Why would the others discuss a problem that they want no part of? Labour sound as though they would offer a deal to the SNP for a vote if they gave support in Westminster but I don't think they have looked in detail about it.

For the UK wide parties, why talk about a subject that realistically will not win you a single vote and is not relevant right now?
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I would say it is not being talked about right now as it is not on the table for discussion. That is a completely separate issue, related purely to Scottish Independence. The only party talking positively about that right now is the SNP. Why would the others discuss a problem that they want no part of? Labour sound as though they would offer a deal to the SNP for a vote if they gave support in Westminster but I don't think they have looked in detail about it.

For the UK wide parties, why talk about a subject that realistically will not win you a single vote and is not relevant right now?
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And Johnson has said he won't sanction an independence vote.
 
Hobbit said:
And Johnson has said he won't sanction an independence vote.
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Which is why I raised the question in the context of a Yes Indyref2 vote having happened; Brexit having happened, and a large percentage of Leave voters not being bothered if the former follows the latter. They might be bothered if as a result Trident is dumped on rUK to find a new home and big $$$s have to go to Scotland in the interim.

I was surprised that Trident wasn’t in the Table - why I raised the question.

Anyway - if no one else thinks it worth the electorate thinking about then I’ll park the question until it becomes relevant.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The week is young yet, give it a few days.:LOL:
The way things are going with Farage and other stuff, Johnson is beginning to look like yesterday's man.
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Think you are over estimating Farage's impact. Yes he's been on a lot of media channels as they know he'll bring clicks to their social media channels, but how much of what he says stands up under scrutiny is another matter.

He seems to be going for what people would interpret as a hard Brexit which I think has limited appeal to a large proportion of the electorate, especially if Bojo has some form of deal which he can properly sell. Yes Bojo's deal will never please the purists, but then again it has been proven time and time again that there is no one deal or outcome that will totally please a decent majority in government, and in those circumstances you normally end up in the middle with a compromise. Or I suppose you could call the whole thing off as give it up as as the increasingly evidently bad job that it is and try again later. But not sure that would please everyone. ;)
 
Hacker Khan said:
Think you are over estimating Farage's impact. Yes he's been on a lot of media channels as they know he'll bring clicks to their social media channels, but how much of what he says stands up under scrutiny is another matter.

He seems to be going for what people would interpret as a hard Brexit which I think has limited appeal to a large proportion of the electorate, especially if Bojo has some form of deal which he can properly sell. Yes Bojo's deal will never please the purists, but then again it has been proven time and time again that there is no one deal or outcome that will totally please a decent majority in government, and in those circumstances you normally end up in the middle with a compromise. Or I suppose you could call the whole thing off as give it up as as the increasingly evidently bad job that it is and try again later. But not sure that would please everyone. ;)
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The Leave electorate to Nigel Farage? (wishful thinking on my part)

Things have come to a pretty pass
Our romance is growing flat,
For you like this and the other
While I go for this and that,

Goodness knows what the end will be
Oh I don't know where I'm at
It looks as if we two will never be one
Something must be done:

You say either and I say either,
You say neither and I say neither
Either, either neither, neither
Let's call the whole thing off.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Think you are over estimating Farage's impact. Yes he's been on a lot of media channels as they know he'll bring clicks to their social media channels, but how much of what he says stands up under scrutiny is another matter.

He seems to be going for what people would interpret as a hard Brexit which I think has limited appeal to a large proportion of the electorate, especially if Bojo has some form of deal which he can properly sell. Yes Bojo's deal will never please the purists, but then again it has been proven time and time again that there is no one deal or outcome that will totally please a decent majority in government, and in those circumstances you normally end up in the middle with a compromise. Or I suppose you could call the whole thing off as give it up as as the increasingly evidently bad job that it is and try again later. But not sure that would please everyone. ;)
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Thanks, I get that with Farage but still think there are enough Loony Tooners about for the Brexit vote to cost the Tories 20/30 seats.
Similar to the Greens in Scotland standing in marginal SNP seats just might cost the two Pro Independence supporting parties seats to the combined Tory/Labour Unionists vote.
Polls/pundits say that the combined Labour/ Tory UK vote will be 20% down on 2017
 
How frightened are the Tories, Labour and the Leavers of Lib Dem wave.... You can sense it from the attack on Jo Swin & Lib Dem. Before this election, you hardly saw them being attacked. Now we have more than 2 main parties (atleast for this election).
 
Mudball said:
How frightened are the Tories, Labour and the Leavers of Lib Dem wave.... You can sense it from the attack on Jo Swin & Lib Dem. Before this election, you hardly saw them being attacked. Now we have more than 2 main parties (atleast for this election).
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Maybe they're easiest to target as Mrs Shouty Woman spends a lot of time trying to see how many feet she can get into her mouth. LibDems are trending down, and are at their lowest in the polls since June.
 
Rooter said:
If we ever get to see the full report, it wouldn't surprise me if the leave total was shall we say, not quite correct...
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Let’s put it this way Putin is wetting himself with laughter and now we can say all leavers are Russian sympathisers...
 
harpo_72 said:
It’s the mouth ...
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I was thinking the teeth :unsure:;)

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The new speaker, will he be unopposed at the next general election, or are all/some parties going to put up a candidate?
Some definitively wanted to oppose Bercow, but what is the best guess with the new one?
 
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