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Sorry, any discussion attempted to be raised citing a Daily Mail article deserves to be ignored.

If you are happy with what you have and where you live - great. If not, this is a land of freedom and opportunities where you can better yourself.
 
jp5 said:
Sorry, any discussion attempted to be raised citing a Daily Mail article deserves to be ignored.

If you are happy with what you have and where you live - great. If not, this is a land of freedom and opportunities where you can better yourself.
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Couldn't agree more.
I may be financially poor but I am socially rich and live in one of the more beautiful parts of our great nation.

Last night I went out for 9 holes of golf with my youngest daughter then we got in the car and went for a swim in the sea to cool off.
Now tell me I'm poorer than you!
 
jp5 said:
Sorry, any discussion attempted to be raised citing a Daily Mail article deserves to be ignored.

If you are happy with what you have and where you live - great. If not, this is a land of freedom and opportunities where you can better yourself.
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Yea I thought of that by posting:lol:
But it is quoting from a serious EU survey.
 
Perhaps regional assemblies would help lift the poorer areas. Targeted investment using local knowledge perhaps?

I may have misinterpreted the information, but it looks like a lot of these poorer areas are in England. Perhaps it's time they had some regionally devolved powers, if they wanted them.

In answer to the question, I would hate to think anyone with any social conscience would be happy to see people in poverty.
 
Andy808 said:
Couldn't agree more.
I may be financially poor but I am socially rich and live in one of the more beautiful parts of our great nation.

Last night I went out for 9 holes of golf with my youngest daughter then we got in the car and went for a swim in the sea to cool off.
Now tell me I'm poorer than you!
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The DM would have spun that along the lines of not being able to afford a full round of Golf and a failure of the (Independent/Lib Dem coalition run) local Council to provide proper swimming facilities! :rolleyes: And probably also commented on the terrible state of the road as well!
 
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Rooter said:
was keen to get involved in this, then saw the URL was for the DM. I'm oot.
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Did you not see my second post?

Ignore DM [as I usually do] and realise the info comes from a EU survey.
Nothing to stop you replying now.

I could not help reading the comments from the Tory MP.
He seems to support a more equal society and then goes on to blame the poverty it on the EU.
Seems a bit weird when many of those European countries seem to be well on the way to eliminating poverty.

Re Andy's post.
Assuming you are a golf club member and own a car you must be considered mega rich by the average £14.500 pa earners in Cornwall.:o
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Re Andy's post.
Assuming you are a golf club member and own a car you must be considered mega rich by the average £14.500 pa earners in Cornwall.:o
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Haha you are funny!
Golf membership down here is pretty cheap compared to the rest of the country to be fair and I own two vehicles as it's a necessity with the complete lack of public transport.
I only just clear the average wage!
 
There are some pretty poor areas in the UK. We don't need an EU survey or typical DM to highlight that. However what's abundantly clear is that there's little being done at local council level with their severe budget cuts or more importantly at central government level.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
There are some pretty poor areas in the UK. We don't need an EU survey or typical DM to highlight that. However what's abundantly clear is that there's little being done at local council level with their severe budget cuts or more importantly at central government level.
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This has been with us a lot longer than the last four years of austerity measures. The lack of investment in industry.... continually selling off industries to foreign companies, who only really want the order book, that then shut them down.
 
If there is any truth in that report then why aren't all the EU immigrants leaving in swaths? Why aren't all those people in Calais clearing off to Poland or living in France.

Regarding budget cuts. Does anyone actually believe they are not necessary to reduce the national debt?
 
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Hobbit said:
This has been with us a lot longer than the last four years of austerity measures. The lack of investment in industry.... continually selling off industries to foreign companies, who only really want the order book, that then shut them down.
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The UK's industry was destroyed by Thatcher

The current Tories are now ripping apart our defence and civil services
 
SocketRocket said:
If there is any truth in that report then why aren't all the EU immigrants leaving in swaths? Why aren't all those people in Calais clearing off to Poland or living in France.
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Because their welfare systems aren't as soft as ours, and the Polish/Romanian benefits aren't as high as ours.
 
Hobbit said:
Because their welfare systems aren't as soft as ours, and the Polish/Romanian benefits aren't as high as ours.
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So you are suggesting they are here for the benefits? I thought most of them were hard working and here to find jobs, if that report has any validity then they should be going to countries like poland where they would be better paid!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The UK's industry was destroyed by Thatcher

The current Tories are now ripping apart our defence and civil services
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Well someones got to balance the books after Labour have run up mountain loads of debt, or should we just keep spending more and more and more until the economy melts down completely?
 
fundy said:
Well someones got to balance the books after Labour have run up mountain loads of debt, or should we just keep spending more and more and more until the economy melts down completely?
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Oh certainly need to cut money and balance the books

But amazes how the rich are still getting richer and the gap to them is growing
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The UK's industry was destroyed by Thatcher

The current Tories are now ripping apart our defence and civil services
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You are of course entitled to an opinion. I would suggest that our industries were generally already dead on their feet before Thatcher thanks to lack of investment in modern technology, nationalisation and the luddite trade unions at that time. Just look at the British Motorcycle industry as an example and the way the Japanese created far superior products that people wanted.

Regarding defence, where would you cut to create money to spend on it. The civil service, well! that really needed sorting out and I would suggest they have been too easy on them to date.
 
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Thatcher made no bones about destroying industry. She wanted to turn the country into another Switzerland. A land of bankers (her own words) we got a land of @&nkers. She wanted all the money down south. We are still suffering from the witches actions.
 
DaveM said:
Thatcher made no bones about destroying industry. She wanted to turn the country into another Switzerland. A land of bankers (her own words) we got a land of @&nkers. She wanted all the money down south. We are still suffering from the witches actions.
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People create businesses not Governments. If anyone expects any government to create jobs and enterprise they don't understand how the market works. All governments and especially Labour will do is increase the number of people working for the state and these people will create zero wealth, they will exist by taking money from the wage packets of free enterprise workers and businesses.
 
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