4 year old killed by dog

[Tommo21]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8386023.stm

Here is Tommos Law. All dogs must have a tag with a serial number and the address. All dog owners must have a dog licence, it will cost £100. Cant afford the licence, don’t get the dog. No collar with ID tag and the dog will be destroyed. Reduced licence rates for certain breeds and certain age of owners. No one can get a licence under the age of 25. You can add more but dont take anything away.

 

[tonto768]

Would go whole hog n ban dogs unless guide or working

 

[EaseNgrace]

or just ban all dogs. I cant stand the bloody inbred beasts and as far as the 'dangerous' types are concerned it's the owners who are the problem. No dogs can be trusted not to attack people/children it's what their genes tell them to do regardless of breed.

 

[EaseNgrace]

yes good point didn't see that. Wouldn't like to see blind people walking into walls and stuff.

 

[freddielong]

Why does anyone need a dog that is capable of killing a child all dogs bigger than a westie should be banned, what purpose do they serve anyway all the do is leave poo everywhere. Why should any child be put at risk just so some idiot can look tough

 

[Robobum]

Kind of agree with most of that Tommo, except the collar and ID tag. Good owners with well behaved dogs could be on the receiving end of this if the dog slips it's collar or the tag breaks off.

Every dog should be chipped with that info, but more insitutions will need the capability to scan the chip to get at the info. So Vets, Police, RSPCA, rescue centres will all be able to ID the dog and it's owner very quickly.

I own the softest big lump of a Boxer you can ever imagine, bought primarily as a pet but also as a deterrent for anyone who thought about breaking into my house. If there is movement in the garden she will bark and paw at the door to be allowed out to investigate.

But, when my daughter was born she was NEVER allowed to be alone in the same room with he dog. As much as I trust the dog, you are never 100% sure and anyone that says they are is kidding themselves. Now my daughter is nearly 4 and has been taught how to behave around the dog, they have become as thick as thieves together. But even now, I keep an eye on things especially if the dog is feeling under the weather to ensure a situation doesn't arise where something happens.

 

[Robobum]

Why does anyone need a dog that is capable of killing a child all dogs bigger than a westie should be banned, what purpose do they serve anyway all the do is leave poo everywhere. Why should any child be put at risk just so some idiot can look tough

A pitbull is hardly any bigger than a Westie.

What stops a Westie biting children (or anyone)??

 

[Robobum]

.....I cant stand the bloody inbred beasts.....

I thought you would have a little more empathy considering where you are from....

 

[haplesshacker]

Once again I am sickend by this. Apparently there is a problem with 'dangerous' dogs on the estate and the people who own them. These dogs are nothing more than a knife or a gun to some people. They're trying to potray a 'tough' image. No matter what you ban or control, some of these people will find a way to own such a dog. It's the owners that need sorting, not just the dogs.

When I was younger, we had an Alsatian, and we had no problems with him. Though, no doubt, some will say that is a dangerous dog. Again, it's the owners, not the dogs.

I'm afraid that this won't be the last time that this happens either. For as long as we have morons that believe in keeping certain breeds for their image, this will happen again. As yet we don't know who owned the dog, but as a father, I would not want such a dog. For those that do, what's more important to them, their image or the protection of their own children? I'm afraid that for some, their image will come first. It's these people that should be dealt with first and foremost.

As yet (due to lack of information), I really don't know if I should feel sorry for the family. But I certainly feel sorry for the child. It must have been horrific.

 

[freddielong]

Why does anyone need a dog that is capable of killing a child all dogs bigger than a westie should be banned, what purpose do they serve anyway all the do is leave poo everywhere. Why should any child be put at risk just so some idiot can look tough

A pitbull is hardly any bigger than a Westie.

What stops a Westie biting children (or anyone)??

Alright ban them all I don't care I dont see why people keep the horrible smelly things anyway

 

[Macster]

Oh hear we go, the latest 'all dogs are killers' thread.

So Tommo, I pay my £100, get my Rottweiler, get it chipped, and do whatever other measures you stipulate needed to allow me to own it.

Having done all that, there is still the same risk involved, and if I was stupid enough to treat it badly, not train it, and allow a 4yr old to wind it up enough whilst his carer's did somethin more interesting in another room, that child could still be mauled and tragically killed.

ANY dog has the potential to kill, and it is only the opportunity that human's give them that allow it to happen, as in this case.

Some dogs have far greater tendencies, ala German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Pit Bull's, Dobermans, and a host of others, whilst others, not seen as 'potentially problematic', are always a threat.
Even my own German Pointer, who is as soft as a brush, is 30kg's, and whilst he has never snapped at me or anyone, I would'nt dream of leaving him alone with a child.
I also wouldnt like to say what would happen if someone decided to let themselves in and confronted him......

'Dogs' are not a problem, it the people who keep them.

 

[haplesshacker]

I've only ever been bitten by Westies! I've always found that the bigger the dog, the less trouble they were.

Perhaps smaller dogs suffer from 'small dog syndrome'!

 

[Robobum]

Alright ban them all I don't care I dont see why people keep the horrible smelly things anyway

What a well reasoned argument

 

[freddielong]

Alright ban them all I don't care I dont see why people keep the horrible smelly things anyway

What a well reasoned argument

My initial point was why keep a dog big enough to kill a child - As you seemed to think any dog could kill a child so unless we create a breed of dog that is 4 inches high and has no teeth we should get and get rid of them all as I think children are more important

 

[Macster]

Freddielong: Well, if Child killing statistics are correct, I think you'll find that Cars & Buses, not to mention trains, are probably well ahead of 'Dogs', so we might as well get rid of these first eh ?

*shakes head*

 

[freddielong]

yep I agree lets get rid off anything that ever killed a child

At least there is a point to a Car what is the point of a dog maybe the world would not be smelly enough without them

 

[JustOne]

Oh hear we go, the latest 'all dogs are killers' thread.

So Tommo, I pay my £100, get my Rottweiler, get it chipped, and do whatever other measures you stipulate needed to allow me to own it.

Having done all that, there is still the same risk involved, and if I was stupid enough to treat it badly, not train it, and allow a 4yr old to wind it up enough whilst his carer's did somethin more interesting in another room, that child could still be mauled and tragically killed.

ANY dog has the potential to kill, and it is only the opportunity that human's give them that allow it to happen, as in this case.

Some dogs have far greater tendencies, ala German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Pit Bull's, Dobermans, and a host of others, whilst others, not seen as 'potentially problematic', are always a threat.
Even my own German Pointer, who is as soft as a brush, is 30kg's, and whilst he has never snapped at me or anyone, I would'nt dream of leaving him alone with a child.
I also wouldnt like to say what would happen if someone decided to let themselves in and confronted him......

'Dogs' are not a problem, it the people who keep them.

First you say they are not a problem and then you say...

"and a host of others, whilst others, not seen as 'potentially problematic', are always a threat."

Which is it a threat or not?

Whilst I understand your sentiment at least having some modicum of control might make people think twice and definately bring the more responsible owners to the top, so to speak.

Reducing the number of 'unneccessary pets' might be a help, at least it would cut down on the amount of strays, abused pets, and crap everywhere... if not attacks.

 

[Macster]

What I'm saying is........

1. ANY dog has the potential to bite, snap, maul, or kill.
Rottweiler, Doberman, Labrador, Westie, Jack Russell......all of them.
The bigger the dog, and the more 'aggresive natured', the bigger the risk involved with keeping them.

2. There is no need to bring the 'more responsible owners to the top', we're already there, with complete control, understanding, and responsibility for our Dogs.
Thats why I'd never, EVER, leave my perfectly well behaved dog with any child.

I'd go as far as saying that 'Killer Dogs' are a socio-economic problem, and nothing more.

 

[USER1999]

I say get rid of the dogs, and let every one keep lions and tigers instead. Cats are much more sensible.

 

[Fyldewhite]

I think that's a bit like saying "4 year old killed by speeding driver so ban cars".

It's the person driving the car or owning the dog who's at fault and yes, there are far too many scumbags using them as status symbols but do you really think those are the type of folk who'd be queueing to buy a dog licence or who would be upset if the dog was destroyed?