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Lord Tyrion said:
I think it is hard to judge how good she is, not entirely her fault. She can only beat those in front of her. Federer, Nadal, Murray, Djokovik for example have stretched each other, having regular 5 set thrillers. Plenty of others in the men's game can stretch the top players. Who is constantly stretching Serena? How many 3 set thrillers? How many 50 minute walkovers?
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I thin the amount of errors she makes at time mean that whilst clearly the most successful and dominant ever. She's not the greatest. She would probably still beat the past champions too. But with brute strength over technique.

For me what makes Federer the greatest is that hat he could win in any era playing any style. Not sure she could.
 
I think if Navratilova, Graff and Williams played each other in a triangular tournament, theoretical of course, Serena wouldn't be in the final.

I agree with your point about Federer.
 
Sweep said:
Yeah, come on guys, you know it's not PC to notice a girl's looks nowadays. And you know that finding a girl attractive is now known as perving, especially if you are a bloke over 30, which is also a crime these days.
Hopefully the PC police will eventually stop us finding anyone remotely attractive and the human race will die out, which will have the added benefit of saving the planet. So it's win/win!
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It's not about finding someone attractive, it's about objectification.

Good luck to her, she'll make a good career on the back of sad Middle aged ***** who still live in the 70's perving over her.

It's says more about us than it does about her :o
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I think if Navratilova, Graff and Williams played each other in a triangular tournament, theoretical of course, Serena wouldn't be in the final.

I agree with your point about Federer.
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If comparing skill I'd fully agree, just nit sure if they'd cope with the power she would have over them.

Still reepect her effort she's put in. She's still the best of this era through hard work.
 
therod said:
It's not about finding someone attractive, it's about objectification.

Good luck to her, she'll make a good career on the back of sad Middle aged ***** who still live in the 70's perving over her.

It's says more about us than it does about her :o
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If in a year she's still done nothing of note, I wonder if she'll still want to be a pro? Or just a model. I think she knows exactly what she's doing. Doesn't make it wrong, but she's playing the game as much as any. I'm sure there are plenty with more talent than her that haven't gotten a break due to a lack of instagram followers.

She cant really bemoan being objectified as that's the only reason she has her career to date.
 
Papas1982 said:
If in a year she's still done nothing of note, I wonder if she'll still want to be a pro? Or just a model. I think she knows exactly what she's doing. Doesn't make it wrong, but she's playing the game as much as any. I'm sure there are plenty with more talent than her that haven't gotten a break due to a lack of instagram followers.

She cant really bemoan being objectified as that's the only reason she has her career to date.
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It's not about her bemoaning, if someone gave me a couple of quid to wear no clothes and wiggle it... I would.

It's more about us. Anytime there is a thread about women's golf it gets populated by a load of lecherous old buggers....surely we're better than that:o
 
therod said:
It's not about her bemoaning, if someone gave me a couple of quid to wear no clothes and wiggle it... I would.

It's more about us. Anytime there is a thread about women's golf it gets populated by a load of lecherous old buggers....surely we're better than that:o
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I'm not. But I do feel guilty about it afterwards.

There's no harm in appreciating a good looking sportsperson. But if that's the only reason someone likes them then there's better channels for that person to watch.
 
therod said:
It's not about finding someone attractive, it's about objectification.

Good luck to her, she'll make a good career on the back of sad Middle aged ***** who still live in the 70's perving over her.

It's says more about us than it does about her :o
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Finding an adult attractive is not perverted.
To accuse someone of "perving" is to suggest they are a pervert.
 
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Back to Serena for a moment. I suspect the reason she make a comparatively high number of errors is that she does not need to be 100% in the zone to win.
If she had the equivalent of Murray/Fed/Nadal/Djokevic/Wawrinka, her error rate would probably go down, as the intensity goes up.
 
Mark_Aged_42 said:
Back to Serena for a moment. I suspect the reason she make a comparatively high number of errors is that she does not need to be 100% in the zone to win.
If she had the equivalent of Murray/Fed/Nadal/Djokevic/Wawrinka, her error rate would probably go down, as the intensity goes up.
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That is the great unknown though isn't it? Maybe she would be better, maybe not. To be fair, all she or any sportsman can do is beat those around her. It is not her fault that she is playing in a weak era. I'm not sure you can ever say one person is the best ever, you can only say they are one of the best. She certainly has to be in that category.
 
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