2025 knock out matches - tales of death or glory

rudebhoy said:
Doubles ko earlier this week. Our opponents are both lower than us, one is the low man, his mate gets 4 shots in the match, we both get 7.

I like to be sociable and have a chat on the way round, but they aren’t having any of that.

We are one down playing the 14th (SI 6). We get a 6, the guy who is getting 4 gets a 5. I say “that’s a half”, he says “no, I won that hole”. We end up arguing about it for what must have been 10 minutes. He is adamant that he gets his 4 shots on 4-7, I keep telling him that he gets them on 1-4. He just won’t accept this. This drags on and on, and is getting a bit tetchy. He is so insistent that we are at a total impasse. I’m so pissed off, in order to move on, I eventually say, ok have it your way.

Our heads were gone by this stage, we end up losing the match in rapid order.

It all left a bit of a nasty taste in the mouth, don’t think I’ll bother entering next year.
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Rather than arguing the toss, you ought to have used the rules and simply said you disagreed and would ask for a ruling from the organisers as soon as possible. Then continue play using both possible scores and report the facts to the committee as the end of the round. Unfortunately you agreed to continue under your opponents made up rules, so the result must now stand. I would though hope that you never the less have reported the facts to the committee so that they can monitor this pair, I strongly suspect they knew exactly what they were doing.
 
I've had a single and double match so far, the first year I've entered either comp. Pleased to say I'm through the first round of both 🙂

In the singles, I won 1-up vs a guy I was giving 11 shots to. Didn't play amazingly well and should have had it wrapped up a bit earlier but missed a four footer on both 14 and 15

Today, in the doubles, I was getting 11 shots (on my partner) with the opponents getting 2 and 3, something like that. I played probably the best I've ever played - not sure how many holes I actually needed the shot on. I think I was the best gross score through 9 🙂

My playing partner came in on 2 or 3 holes but he joked with me afterwards that I'd basically carried it. One of the opponents had an absolute stinker as well, you could tell he'd given up by about the 5th!

It was really nice to feel like I played much closer to the potential that I know I have, rather than be creeping slowly up in handicap. Opponents both acknowledged that I played really well and weren't calling foul as well, which was great 👍🏻
 
doublebogey7 said:
Rather than arguing the toss, you ought to have used the rules and simply said you disagreed and would ask for a ruling from the organisers as soon as possible. Then continue play using both possible scores and report the facts to the committee as the end of the round. Unfortunately you agreed to continue under your opponents made up rules, so the result must now stand. I would though hope that you never the less have reported the facts to the committee so that they can monitor this pair, I strongly suspect they knew exactly what they were doing.
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Did the “ low man “ not join the conversation and tell his partner he was wrong?
 
rudebhoy said:
Doubles ko earlier this week. Our opponents are both lower than us, one is the low man, his mate gets 4 shots in the match, we both get 7.

I like to be sociable and have a chat on the way round, but they aren’t having any of that.

We are one down playing the 14th (SI 6). We get a 6, the guy who is getting 4 gets a 5. I say “that’s a half”, he says “no, I won that hole”. We end up arguing about it for what must have been 10 minutes. He is adamant that he gets his 4 shots on 4-7, I keep telling him that he gets them on 1-4. He just won’t accept this. This drags on and on, and is getting a bit tetchy. He is so insistent that we are at a total impasse. I’m so pissed off, in order to move on, I eventually say, ok have it your way.

Our heads were gone by this stage, we end up losing the match in rapid order.

It all left a bit of a nasty taste in the mouth, don’t think I’ll bother entering next year.
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How long have they been playing KOs

Why on earth would they think they get shots on 4-7 and not 1-4 🤷‍♂️

Would certainly highlight the issue to your HC committee
 
First match of my summer singles was great - but literally some appalling golf ....quick recap
Was actually round 2 - i got a bye in rd1, he beat a really consistent golfer i know well.
I was giving him two shots.

Hole 1 par 5- i hit a decent drive (lucky bounce over the bunker), he finds bunker on right. His escape then ends up in the next bunker, hits a decent shot out, then a good approach shot, but i play it safe second, nice chip on and regulation 5 for the hole - 1up
Hole 2 - long par 4 - i hit a bomb down the middle, he hits a leaky one right but has a route past a tree. he hits a scuffy one in to thick rough. ive got a 7iron and shank the sh*t out of it in to trees. Drop another and hit a worse one. He gets it on the green, i manage to find the first but can only play sideways. i pull a chip in to the bunker!?! hit a great one out the bunker but he makes two putt for a bogey win. A/S
Hole 3 - long par 4, shot hole - he hits an ok drive, but a brilliant 3 wood to the middle of the green. i hit a good drive but over the back with me second from a horrible lie, cant get it up and down, but he is 4 for 3 anyway 1dn
Hole 4 - par 3 - he is front of green, im hanging on the side of a bunker having pulled my shot left. i hit a brilliant chip to 5ft. - he 3 putts, i sink my putt - A/S
Hole 5 - short par 4 - im down the middle, he is right but hits a decent iron to the green, ive only got a 54* which i thin to the back of the green ! i cant get up and down, he two putts 1dn again
Hole 6 - long par 4. OOB left on this hole, with wind RtoL. he hits driver, wind takes it left, hits a tree, cant see if in or out. I hit a big 3 wood, wind takes it, looks OOB. He hits a provisional which looks good, probably in left bunker. I hit a provisional safe but short. We got to look for our first tee shots - his first hit a tree, bounced backwards but is just OOB. My first is in bounds by millimeters. we go to look for his second, its actually missed the bunker and also rolled OOB. he gives me the hole - A/S
Hole 7 - long par 3. I hit a lovely one to about 15 ft. He is short and in bunker. Takes two to get out, i roll a put close, my hole - 1up
Hole 8 - short par 4 - i top a 3 wood i to the *** nearby !! he his a decent shot. i hack out, then hit a 3rd pin high but off in the right rough. his second ends up near to mine. we both take 3 from there, so its his hole. A/S
Hole 9 - short par 5. Actually a raosnable hole. I find trees off the tee, have to hack out but get on in 3. He hits a good drive and second shot - makes birdie to my par - 1dn

9 holes and not a single halved hole

Hole 10 - long par 5 - we actually both make regulation pars for our first halved hole 1dn
Hole 11 - long par 4 - halved in 5s - i got really unlucky with my second after a great drive. 1dn
hole 12 - hilarity starts again. longish par 4 with blind tee shot. i hit bomb, he hits a good one too but with a slight draw. we get up there and cant find his ball - draw and bounce must have taken it in to the deep crap and we cant find it. I hit it to 10ft and we walk off. A/S
hole 13 - v long and tight par 4 (SI 1), shot hole - i hit a good drive, followed by great second to about 15ft. He slices his tee shot right in to red stakes. he drops but then hits a wonder shot to about 6ft. I make a 4 (which id take any day of the week), and fortunately he misses his put, so we halve A/S
hole 14 - long and tight par4 - (my real bogey hole at the moment) - i duff my tee shot in crap, he finds fairway, i hit a provisional and although he hacks his about he makes 6 to my 7. 1dn
hole 15 - long par 4 - we both hit good drives, but i hit the green and he blocks his right. he overhits a chip by miles, cant 2 putt either so easy 4 wins for me A/S
hole 16 - super long par 4 - basically we both end up with puts for 5s - his about 10ft, mine is 8ft. I think to myself this is a big moment if someone holes these. He just misses and I sink mine. 1up
hole 17 - long par 3 - Im thinking 3 more good swings and ive won now. what happens? duff my tee shot in to crap ffs!! he hits the green, I cant make a 4 - his hole A/S
hole 18 - short par 5 but most people cant really hit driver off the tee due to a hazard that runs accross the fairway about 250yrs. im perplexed as he takes out driver, hits a big slice right in to the water hazard right. he hits a provisional in to crap on the left. i hit an ok 3 wood down the middle. i play first and hit another 3 wood to just in front of the green. he drops on the right (red stakes), but its not a nice shot. he tries a hero shot and ends up in a huge harzard (ex quarry). he takes two stabs to get it out, picks up and we shake hands. 1up

so probably my worst round of the year so far but still end up winning.

I have to give me next opponent 11 shots! Nailed on for me to play really well and lose now........
 
Arthur Wedge said:
How long have they been playing KOs

Why on earth would they think they get shots on 4-7 and not 1-4 🤷‍♂️

Would certainly highlight the issue to your HC committee
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Big assumption on my part, but maybe the low guy was off 3? That's the only way I can assume someone getting 4 shots (i.e. being off 7) would get their shots on holes 4-7.

In a way, I could understand that. If player A, who's off 3, is playing against player B, off 8, in Stableford, then player B gets their "advantage" on SIs 4-7.

I'm not really sure how that would scale to more than two players, though. I'm assuming @rudebhoy's team got shots on 4-10, according to this weapon?
 
sjw said:
Big assumption on my part, but maybe the low guy was off 3? That's the only way I can assume someone getting 4 shots (i.e. being off 7) would get their shots on holes 4-7.

In a way, I could understand that. If player A, who's off 3, is playing against player B, off 8, in Stableford, then player B gets their "advantage" on SIs 4-7.
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That's exactly where I assumed it came from. Someone who's played 90% of their golf in Stableford format and never played matchplay may wrongly assume they get shots on the stroke indexes where their handicaps differ, just as you have put there. I remember having to explain this to my mate who's a higher handicap back when he hadn't played any matches. He also didn't realise you get your shots on the hardest holes.

In this situation though I start to get dubious over how adamant the guy was that he was right. If as you say he just had it wrong, you'd think he'd accept being corrected wouldn't you? So he probably stuck to his guns to try it on. (And it worked.)
 
Orikoru said:
That's exactly where I assumed it came from. Someone who's played 90% of their golf in Stableford format and never played matchplay may wrongly assume they get shots on the stroke indexes where their handicaps differ, just as you have put there. I remember having to explain this to my mate who's a higher handicap back when he hadn't played any matches. He also didn't realise you get your shots on the hardest holes.

In this situation though I start to get dubious over how adamant the guy was that he was right. If as you say he just had it wrong, you'd think he'd accept being corrected wouldn't you? So he probably stuck to his guns to try it on. (And it worked.)
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You don’t even give/get shots on the hardest holes…so if I’m getting four shots I don’t get them on the four hardest holes, never mind holes 4 to 7…I get them on SIs 1-4, which for purposes of argument, could actually be the four EASIEST holes on the course.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You don’t even give/get shots on the hardest holes…so if I’m getting four shots I don’t get them on the four hardest holes, never mind holes 4 to 7…I get them on SIs 1-4, which for purposes of argument, could actually be the four EASIEST holes on the course.
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This is no time for pedantry. You know full well that 'hardest holes' is short-hand for 'lowest stroke indexes'.

Yeah I know, it's always time for pedantry around here.
 
Foursomes KO on Saturday - 8am tee time. We were all hitting balls on the range at 7.15am. At 7.45, 1 of the opponents walks over to the putting green, says he doesn’t feel well, gets in his car and drives off.

We stood on the first tee waiting for him, expecting that he was pulling our leg.

In the end, we told his partner if he could beat us 2v1 in a better ball match that he could have the win which obviously didn’t materialise!

Very odd
 
sjw said:
Big assumption on my part, but maybe the low guy was off 3? That's the only way I can assume someone getting 4 shots (i.e. being off 7) would get their shots on holes 4-7.

In a way, I could understand that. If player A, who's off 3, is playing against player B, off 8, in Stableford, then player B gets their "advantage" on SIs 4-7.

I'm not really sure how that would scale to more than two players, though. I'm assuming @rudebhoy's team got shots on 4-10, according to this weapon?
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Low man was off 15, his partner 19. Me and my partner were both off 23. 90% of the difference, hence him getting 4 and us getting 7.
 
Here’s one for the forum;

Our IG page has a handicap calculator for foursomes.
The rules state the maximum combined handicap of a team is 40, so team handicap of 20 - but the IG calculator did not reflect this and this wasn’t known.

A match was played and the calculator said 16 shots - so they played and the team giving shots lost the 19th hole.

Then they realised they should have been giving 11 shots, as the opponents combined handicap is capped to 20. A rematch could not be arranged as the team that won was not available in time.

What do you do?
 
JonnyGutteridge said:
Here’s one for the forum;

Our IG page has a handicap calculator for foursomes.
The rules state the maximum combined handicap of a team is 40, so team handicap of 20 - but the IG calculator did not reflect this and this wasn’t known.

A match was played and the calculator said 16 shots - so they played and the team giving shots lost the 19th hole.

Then they realised they should have been giving 11 shots, as the opponents combined handicap is capped to 20. A rematch could not be arranged as the team that won was not available in time.

What do you do?
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Surely its just tough and the result stands.
 
Orikoru said:
This is no time for pedantry. You know full well that 'hardest holes' is short-hand for 'lowest stroke indexes'.

Yeah I know, it's always time for pedantry around here.
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Not suggesting for a moment that you don’t understand this…was trying (and clearly failing) to phrase it in a way that demonstrates the ignorance or deliberate mischief of others.

Ask @rudebhoy’s opponent the basis of SIs 4-7 being the holes for getting four shots given and he seems to go down the route of they are 4th to 7th hardest…and you and I and everyone else here kno that that is a false basis for his assertion and so could be kicked into the long grass without hesitation or further debate.
 
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