10 More Yards or 10% More Accuracy

10 Yards Longer or 10% Accuracy Increase

  • 10 Yards Longer

    Votes: 9 14.8%

  • 10% More accuracy

    Votes: 52 85.2%
  • Total voters
    61
bladeplayer said:
Duncan , ive read this a few times & not realy sure what you mean .. i realy enjoy your posts & gain as much as others from your knowledge & help ..
Origionaly the OP was just wondering which you would prefer if you could have 1 or the other ? so does it realy matter if it has real meaning or not ? he was wondering , so he asked ..

Im not sure what you mean by saying if you want to hit more fairways hit the ball shorter , surely it would be more help to learn to hit it better rather than shorter ..

Please forgive my ignorance as i have no idea what you mean by

"for the same angular error (provided by the player!!!) you will hit the same size target more often; it's that simple."

OR

Then you have the relationship between angular variation and off-centre hits on the club face, and if you include distance variation from this too, you get some measure of forgiveness, which some might suggest is the most appropriate reflection of a club's accuracy."

In this case i do think you are reading a bit more into it than was intended origionaly...
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thanks for the reply

unfortunately I don't have the necessay programs on this machine to produce the sort of picture that Bob has posted. Using his image as a reference though, if you could magically swap red for yellow by changing 'driver' then it's a no-brainer (although I would suggest this is (1) switch to a 3 wood and (2) not what actually happens in reality :)

what I am trying to get at with the reference to angular error is that if you drew a pair of diverging lines from the tee to the outside of the yellow dots and onwards, you would still have some red dots inside that 'cone', although Bob's red ones don't all fit that, but despite being inside the same cone they are in the trees/off the fairway - whilst the yellow ones are in play. they are both equally accurate in most terms. if those red ones had been hit shorter, but on the same line, they would be on the fairway.

does this help?
 
I voted on accuracy, I assumed the 10% increase meant this years FIR @ 60% and GIR @ 50% would increase to 70 & 60
 
I'd also take the accuracy off the tee but if i was given the same choice for my irons I'd go for the extra yardage every time as I really struggle for distance
 
duncan mackie said:
thanks for the reply

unfortunately I don't have the necessay programs on this machine to produce the sort of picture that Bob has posted. Using his image as a reference though, if you could magically swap red for yellow by changing 'driver' then it's a no-brainer (although I would suggest this is (1) switch to a 3 wood and (2) not what actually happens in reality :)

what I am trying to get at with the reference to angular error is that if you drew a pair of diverging lines from the tee to the outside of the yellow dots and onwards, you would still have some red dots inside that 'cone', although Bob's red ones don't all fit that, but despite being inside the same cone they are in the trees/off the fairway - whilst the yellow ones are in play. they are both equally accurate in most terms. if those red ones had been hit shorter, but on the same line, they would be on the fairway.

does this help?
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Yes sir i understand what you were geting at better now , thanks for that..
 
What a weird way the thread has panned out with so much analysis of the example numbers when asked to choose between accuracy & distance

When I first read the opening post the numbers weren’t really the important thing, it comes across as a perfectly valid point about manufactures forcing yet another greater distance campaign, V’s any revolutionary R&D towards improving accuracy, resulting again on distance being the primary USP for a player to buy/upgrade their clubs

For almost any single shot you can get extra yardage with your existing kit far easier than you’d be able to achieve a similar increase in your accuracy (excluding driver)... just take an extra club!

Now you’re instantly hitting 10 yards longer & you can spend your time & money working on alignment with a coach or other method rather than being sucked into the very expensive new toy route ;)
 
bobmac said:
Given the choice between the red dots and the yellow dots, I'd take the yellow dots all day every day.

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As would anyone - but if your shots are the red dots, being 10% more accurate isn't going to pull them back to the yellow ones. And ok I admit the 10% extra distance puts you halfway to the railway station - but if you're wayward, only a 10% increase in your accuracy isn't going to make much difference.

That's Blackmoor's 1st innit Bob?
The obvious play there is to lay-up between the bunker and the ditch anyway - no need to get the driver out....:whistle:
 
The maths in the thread is a little misleading as the OP refers to ten yards but in the original post the 10% includes the 17 yards from last years innovation so firstly we are considering 27yards vs 10% 'accuracy'. I also agree with Duncan on the accuracy definition as a lot depends on consistency of swing path and direction you are aiming. My dispersion is quite tight IF I aim and align myself properly every time. Trouble is I don't!

Anyway assuming that dispersion can be controlled solely by the club for an extra 10 yards on a drive (previous average 250) you are looking at tightening 'accuracy' by 4%. If my dispersion was 40 yards that 4% reduces my dispersion by just 1.6yards. If you suffer with a hook or a slice a golf club ain't gonna fix it. There are some balls that will straighten it out a little but all things considered I'll take the yards please :)
 
^^^^^^^^^^
Is the math really the point here!

(perhaps the OP will clarify) but I saw it much more simply... given the choice what would you prefer, an increase in accuracy or distance?

(no slide-rule required)
 
I think we've realised that the question is flawed, having a 10% improvement on accuracy is not a viable measure... if you're only 10cm off the fairway then with a 10% improvement you'd still be 9cm off the fairway... gimme the extra 10yds!
 
Tiger said:
The maths in the thread is a little misleading as the OP refers to ten yards but in the original post the 10% includes the 17 yards from last years innovation so firstly we are considering 27yards vs 10% 'accuracy'. I also agree with Duncan on the accuracy definition as a lot depends on consistency of swing path and direction you are aiming. My dispersion is quite tight IF I aim and align myself properly every time. Trouble is I don't!

Anyway assuming that dispersion can be controlled solely by the club for an extra 10 yards on a drive (previous average 250) you are looking at tightening 'accuracy' by 4%. If my dispersion was 40 yards that 4% reduces my dispersion by just 1.6yards. If you suffer with a hook or a slice a golf club ain't gonna fix it. There are some balls that will straighten it out a little but all things considered I'll take the yards please :)
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Blimey Tiger - I thought you were coming to the "hit it, go find it" club too!!! ;)
 
Slab said:
^^^^^^^^^^
Is the math really the point here!

(perhaps the OP will clarify) but I saw it much more simply... given the choice what would you prefer, an increase in accuracy or distance?

(no slide-rule required)
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This is what I was getting at.

Apologies for not doing the math to the nth degree in einstein type fashion.

The simpleness really was to see who would prefer the distance over accuracy and so far the pole shows accuracy would be the preferred thing for most golfers wanting to shoot better scores
 
JustOne said:
I think we've realised that the question is flawed, having a 10% improvement on accuracy is not a viable measure... if you're only 10cm off the fairway then with a 10% improvement you'd still be 9cm off the fairway... gimme the extra 10yds!
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Surely if you are 10cm off the fairway and the fairway is 30 yards (lets say 30m to make it easier) wide you are 15.1 off where you aimed (assuming of course that you were trying to hit the fairway in the middle and its not a hole you need to be overly positional on or you would have taken an iron) So 10% better accuracy (0.51m back towards the centre) means you are now back on the fairway and have a shot??

I would take the accuracy in these situations.

However (warning about to contradict myself here) if you can keep it on the fairway already and are 10 yards longer then you have a shorter iron to take your next shot and most of the time I play, my second shot is more important than my first so at this stage I would have been wishing I took the extra 10 yards!!

I am torn (but voted for accuracy)
 
I think everyone that has opted for distance must be assuming that they are currently using the longest driver available to them, otherwise they could go out and 'buy' the extra yards.
Ive gone for accuracy, I know there's drivers out there that are longer than the one I use but not as accurate, if I'm on the fairway I'm happy.
I also suppose it depends how penal your home course is, some courses you can get away with spraying around of the tee, on others a couple of bad tee shots and the card is Knackered. Distance looks good but it's overrated IMO.
 
HickoryShaft said:
Surely if you are 10cm off the fairway and the fairway is 30 yards (lets say 30m to make it easier) wide you are 15.1 off where you aimed (assuming of course that you were trying to hit the fairway in the middle and its not a hole you need to be overly positional on or you would have taken an iron) So 10% better accuracy (0.51m back towards the centre) means you are now back on the fairway and have a shot??

I would take the accuracy in these situations.
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Yes, good point :thup:........ I'd take the yards :D
 
JustOne said:
I think we've realised that the question is flawed, having a 10% improvement on accuracy is not a viable measure... if you're only 10cm off the fairway then with a 10% improvement you'd still be 9cm off the fairway... gimme the extra 10yds!
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Ah, but if that 10cm off the fairway is 30m from the middle of the fairway, (your original aim point), then with a 10% accuracy improvement you'd be 3m nearer the middle of the fairway which puts your ball 2.90m from the rough..........................gimme the extra accuracy.

Slime.
 
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