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£64 m!

bladeplayer said:
Why do you say he picked a pretty good time to retire if you think the squad he had was capable of keeping success flowing ..

i do agree with you that he picked a good time retire , because he had slowly replace the quality he had with inferior players and when it as time for these inferior players to step up to the mark they were found wanting ..

Not anti utd or a utd fan in equal measure , i looked at the team moyes was inheriting and position for position at the in too many positions it was weaker than the team he left ..
Fergie timed his escape perfectly
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That's pretty much what I mean - though he would have sorted them out! I'm no Fergie lover - he's an arrogant, obnoxious, bullying <pyo expletive> (description reminds me of an old boss - but he had 'corrupt', 'cheating' and 'thieving' labels too!) - but he could certainly deliver a team and results!

He first impressed me with his ability to manage when he turned Andy Cole into a quality striker, rather than just a solid boot for Peter Beardsley's perfectly weighted passes!

Mourinho would have been an excellent choice rather than Moyes, but that wasn't going to happen for a number of reasons! I think the biggest problem LvG is going to have is based on the language issue. I don't believe he has sufficient grasp of English to be able to jump on and quash the dressing-room 'banter', so will have to impose his 'philosophy' another way! Whether he will be successful will be interesting to watch!
 
Its all down to Sir Alec , he bailed out at the right time and Moyes took the can for the lack of investment , other teams were poor and RVP won the legue for Man U with his goals , the club and team are no where near where they were and he knew it and TBH his record was a hard act to follow , Van Gal is finding that out the hard way , as for this 64 million on one player , light weight at that , we will see if it makes a difference , may do for a few weeks then what as the market will be closed
 
JCW said:
Its all down to Sir Alec , he bailed out at the right time and Moyes took the can for the lack of investment , other teams were poor and RVP won the legue for Man U with his goals , the club and team are no where near where they were and he knew it and TBH his record was a hard act to follow , Van Gal is finding that out the hard way , as for this 64 million on one player , light weight at that , we will see if it makes a difference , may do for a few weeks then what as the market will be closed
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As if Ozil and Sancez have set the world alight so far in the premiership and that's more than 64m
 
JCW said:
... RVP won the legue for Man U with his goals...
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Who was the daft Manager that couldn't keep/inspire him. Oh yeah, the same one that turned down Fabregas - the current star of the current league! :rolleyes:

ManU's success was indeed all down to ORN/SAF. But their 'failure' was certainly not!
 
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Foxholer said:
That's pretty much what I mean - though he would have sorted them out! I'm no Fergie lover - he's an arrogant, obnoxious, bullying <pyo expletive> (description reminds me of an old boss - but he had 'corrupt', 'cheating' and 'thieving' labels too!) - but he could certainly deliver a team and results!

He first impressed me with his ability to manage when he turned Andy Cole into a quality striker, rather than just a solid boot for Peter Beardsley's perfectly weighted passes!

Mourinho would have been an excellent choice rather than Moyes, but that wasn't going to happen for a number of reasons! I think the biggest problem LvG is going to have is based on the language issue. I don't believe he has sufficient grasp of English to be able to jump on and quash the dressing-room 'banter', so will have to impose his 'philosophy' another way! Whether he will be successful will be interesting to watch!
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You're joking, right? 55 goals in 70 games showed he was already a quality striker and at a very young age.
 
richy said:
You're joking, right? 55 goals in 70 games showed he was already a quality striker and at a very young age.
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Read the 2nd part of that paragraph! Quality goal scorer - but it was Beardsley's imagination and pass that created most of them! He was diabolical for about 6-8 months until he actually learned how to control a ball rather than just hoof one!

I'm not alone either - from Wikipedia:

Glenn Hoddle, in defence of his decision not to select Cole for the World Cup in 1998, accused Cole of needing six or seven chances to score one goal.
 
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Foxholer said:
Read the 2nd part of that paragraph! Quality goal scorer - but it was Beardsley's imagination and pass that created most of them! He was diabolical for about 6-8 months until he actually learned how to control a ball rather than just hoof one!

I'm not alone either - from Wikipedia:

Glenn Hoddle, in defence of his decision not to select Cole for the World Cup in 1998, accused Cole of needing six or seven chances to score one goal.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2CnxRfSJUE Yeah you're dead right :rolleyes:

As for Hoddle, he's never said anything stupid before, has he?
 
Trentcoops said:
As if Ozil and Sancez have set the world alight so far in the premiership and that's more than 64m
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Thats 2 players and Ozil will this year with the players in front of him to pick out , Rome was not built in a day , For someone new on here you have started to have a go early , Man U fan maybe , it be a long time before they are strong again , buying players is one thing , 128 million for 3 players so far , will they play as a team , time will tell
 
JCW said:
Thats 2 players and Ozil will this year with the players in front of him to pick out , Rome was not built in a day , For someone new on here you have started to have a go early , Man U fan maybe , it be a long time before they are strong again , buying players is one thing , 128 million for 3 players so far , will they play as a team , time will tell
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I can certainly count sir, rest assured on that. Rome agreed was not built in a day but there is only one manager that has taken 10 years to build their team and although unbeaten so far it is far from fully built yet and as you have previously implied it is wrong to spend big money it's going to take him a lot longer. What difference does a persons length of time on here mean in their ability to add to a discussion.
 
NST said:
Neither of them as good as Di Maria.
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Thats your call , my call is they are all good players but there is no way he is worth double what we paid for sanchez , no way and RM know MU are in need of keeping the punters happy after what happen last year so MU have paid way over the odds for him and thats the word going round , £190 k a week wages , madness
 
Trentcoops said:
I can certainly count sir, rest assured on that. Rome agreed was not built in a day but there is only one manager that has taken 10 years to build their team and although unbeaten so far it is far from fully built yet and as you have previously implied it is wrong to spend big money it's going to take him a lot longer. What difference does a persons length of time on here mean in their ability to add to a discussion.
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He also built a new stadium and kept the revenue coming in every year with champions league football on a shoestring and now from a strong base they can push on and i think there are still 2 or 3 to come in yet , one thing he wont do is spent 64 million and £190 a week on wages for one player , thats pure madness or just a huge gamble to apleased the old trafford faithful and no one knows for sure if it will work
 
JCW said:
Thats 2 players and Ozil will this year with the players in front of him to pick out , Rome was not built in a day , For someone new on here you have started to have a go early , Man U fan maybe , it be a long time before they are strong again , buying players is one thing , 128 million for 3 players so far , will they play as a team , time will tell
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For some reason, I'd say he's a Wimbledon AFC supporter! :rolleyes:

Even so, he seems to be able to identify rubbish pretty well - even as a newbie!

Ten years is a heck of long 'rebuild' time! ORN built 2 or 3 teams in that time!

JCW said:
He also built a new stadium and kept the revenue coming in every year with champions league football on a shoestring and now from a strong base they can push on and i think there are still 2 or 3 to come in yet , one thing he wont do is spent 64 million and £190 a week on wages for one player , thats pure madness or just a huge gamble to apleased the old trafford faithful and no one knows for sure if it will work
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He hasn't built a Stadium - the Club has as the only way to increase revenue sufficiently to compete at the top! However he has done extremely well to manage within the constraints of having £20m+ taken from the possible budget every year!

And what makes you think the shackles are off so they can push on? The Stadium isn't going to be paid off until 2031!
 
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Foxholer said:
For some reason, I'd say he's a Wimbledon AFC supporter! :rolleyes:

Even so, he seems to be able to identify rubbish pretty well - even as a newbie!

Ten years is a heck of long 'rebuild' time! ORN built 2 or 3 teams in that time!
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Another insult , dig at me , is that why you keep getting banned , i find it hard not to trade insults but i have no need or want to become like you so feel free to carry on
 
JCW said:
Another insult , dig at me , is that why you keep getting banned , i find it hard not to trade insults but i have no need or want to become like you so feel free to carry on
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Yeah. Good point. Welcome to my ignore list!
 
It's an interesting time at United and after so much success in the Fergie era, the last season and the start of this must seem surreal. I wouldn't rush to write LVG off just yet nor would I bemoan the cost of your new signing. It's market forces and if you want to get top players you need to play top money. I think he could just be a revelation but I think United need to play with a pace and passion they haven't shown for a while. If it makes you feel any better I support Fulham!
 
I think Di Maria could do well for them - he's pacy and AFAIK had a bucketful of assists at Madrid. In fact didn't C. Ronaldo say that Di Maria was the one player they should be keeping?

I think a few of them need a good roughing up - really when I see them play only Johnny Evans seems to put his body on the line and gives 100% effort, maybe Jones too.

Anyway - let's hope that LVG can get the team out that he wants and then see how performances go. I think something along the lines of this will be his 11:
DeGea
Rafael 2 of Jones/Rojo/Evans Shaw
Fletcher Herrera Mata
Rooney Van Persie Di Maria

Looks Ok....
 
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