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Absolutely, I agree with you, but a lot of clubs call the ‘Best of’ Team games 4BBB when there are 4 players even though they aren’t playing as pairs…but as a team.
I have never heard of 4BB being anything other than pairs. Team formats are called Bowmakers or Team 4 ball or Team 3 ball.
 

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Surely if it is medal you just input the gross scores. 4BB medal and Stableford are both acceptable.
No. If entered directly on the WHS Platform, hole scores from regular stroke play (medal)/max score/par/bogey would need to be converted to Stableford first.
 

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Absolutely, I agree with you, but a lot of clubs call the ‘Best of’ Team games 4BBB when there are 4 players even though they aren’t playing as pairs…but as a team.
I have never encountered that. I have always seen them described as 'Best 2 (or 3) of 4' or occasionally as Bowmaker.
Within my club, if a large group are to be playing as teams of three or four, it is simply announced as 'Threes today' or 'Fours today' (3 to score / 2 to score)
 
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No. If entered directly on the WHS Platform, hole scores from regular stroke play (medal)/max score/par/bogey would need to be converted to Stableford first.
Ah! You have answered my problem. It’s a bit of a pain converting to Stableford, but now I know how to directly enter 4BB medal - should I ever need to do so.

It’s still poor systems design from EG.
 

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Ah! You have answered my problem. It’s a bit of a pain converting to Stableford, but now I know how to directly enter 4BB medal - should I ever need to do so.

It’s still poor systems design from EG.
It's dotgolf design, not EG.

At least we don't have to manually calculate the adjusted individual Stableford totals as they do in some parts of the world!
 

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Have I got this right?

Played 2 comps since 1st April. For the first, the Pro Shop issued the scorecards with handicaps pre-printed. I thought this would be the norm now post 1st April. For the second we had to fill in the cards ourselves.

My friends wrote down their CH, either from memory or after looking at the board, and calculated 95% for their PH. I merely wrote down my HI.

When swapping cards I had to explain when queried, as so often, that it wasn’t mandatory to enter my handicap so I didn’t bother.

I then, mistakenly(?) went on to say there’s little point anyway, unless using the app maybe?, as my PH calculation might well be wrong because of the recent changes.

Cue blank looks, and when I introduced the phrase machine precision they looked ready to phone the men in white coats.

So, post round we entered our scores at the terminal (old skoolers - phones left in car) and they delighted in showing me that their PH’s were as calculated.

But that was co-incidence right? Or have I mis-understood the recent changes so badly I need to go back to school? 🤣
 

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Have I got this right?

Played 2 comps since 1st April. For the first, the Pro Shop issued the scorecards with handicaps pre-printed. I thought this would be the norm now post 1st April. For the second we had to fill in the cards ourselves.

My friends wrote down their CH, either from memory or after looking at the board, and calculated 95% for their PH. I merely wrote down my HI.

When swapping cards I had to explain when queried, as so often, that it wasn’t mandatory to enter my handicap so I didn’t bother.

I then, mistakenly(?) went on to say there’s little point anyway, unless using the app maybe?, as my PH calculation might well be wrong because of the recent changes.

Cue blank looks, and when I introduced the phrase machine precision they looked ready to phone the men in white coats.

So, post round we entered our scores at the terminal (old skoolers - phones left in car) and they delighted in showing me that their PH’s were as calculated.

But that was co-incidence right? Or have I mis-understood the recent changes so badly I need to go back to school? 🤣
You were right, the odds were in their favour as the unrounded handicap thing only affects a minority of instances (someone mentioned 17% once?) - but they could well have been wrong.
 
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Excellent, thanks.

Supplementary question: if we use the app (IG) to enter our scores, that will I assume show the correct PH?
Do you not sign in before the round? We do using V1 and it tells you your course and playing HC when you sign in.
 

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Do you not sign in before the round? We do using V1 and it tells you your course and playing HC when you sign in.
I’m sure it’s an option but I’ve always signed in at the pro shop. I’m in there anyway buying something or other. And by signing in I mean verbally, no terminal there.
 

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You were right, the odds were in their favour as the unrounded handicap thing only affects a minority of instances (someone mentioned 17% once?) - but they could well have been wrong.
I've just done a test looking at handicaps 0-30.

Overall, on 24% of occasions, the PH is different depending on whether you use machine precision or if you simply take 95% of the whole number CH.

However, there are certain handicap zones in which there is rarely a difference, while there are other zones in which the difference is more common.


CH 0-2: Diff = 10%
CH 3-4: Diff = 20%
CH 5-8: Diff = 30%
CH 9: Diff = 40%
CH 10: Diff = 50%
CH 11: Diff = 40%
CH 12-13: Diff = 30%
CH 14-15: Diff = 20%
CH 16-17: Diff = 10%
CH 18-20: Diff = 0%
CH 21- 22: Diff = 10%
CH 23- 24: Diff = 20%
CH 25- 26: Diff = 30%
CH 27- 28: Diff = 40%
CH 29- 30: Diff = 50%
 

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120 played in a medal board comp on Saturday. 1st, 4th and 5th were 5 handicappers. Rest of top 10 were all under 16 hcap. Excellent weather and course in nice condition. Seems fair to the lower handicappers.
 

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Just checked scores at one of my old clubs back in Perth, winning score 45 off a 20 handicap and then
43 off a 29
43 off a 25
42 off a 23
1st single figure golfer came 15th with 37 points off a 9

Field of 180 players, lowest handicap plus 7 and a total of 26 single figure golfers.

Australia GS (no such thing as WHS) sure works well for single figure golfers.
 

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Just checked scores at one of my old clubs back in Perth, winning score 45 off a 20 handicap and then
43 off a 29
43 off a 25
42 off a 23
1st single figure golfer came 15th with 37 points off a 9

Field of 180 players, lowest handicap plus 7 and a total of 26 single figure golfers.

Australia GS (no such thing as WHS) sure works well for single figure golfers.
Not having divisions/flights in a field of 180 is ridiculous.

It's also a bit ridiculous to blame the system for what is, in general, clearly not particularly great scoring by the lower handicappers relative to their demonstrated ability. One or two better than handicap is never going to be a prize winning score in in field half that size, even more so in a Stableford.
 

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Not having divisions/flights in a field of 180 is ridiculous.

It's also a bit ridiculous to blame the system for what is, in general, clearly not particularly great scoring by the lower handicappers relative to their demonstrated ability. One or two better than handicap is never going to be a prize winning score in in field half that size, even more so in a Stableford.
Totally agree I cannot believe they did not break the course record to maybe run 3rd.....they either need to practice more or maybe game the system and get more handicap.
 
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