Your flexibility- Friday Night Test

[virtuocity]

So, Pro Mike Adams advocates the following drill to find your perfect backswing length:

[video=youtube;uQnIyD4LbVc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQnIyD4LbVc[/video]

For quickness:

1. Grab a club (or wooden spoon if you're not close to your bag- or your better half is watching)
2. Drop to your knees
3. Take a backswing from this position

How flexible are you? How far can you get the club back? I'm between a 1/2 and 3/4 swing

As someone who has always fought arm run-off (arms continuing after the body stops turning back), this is quite interesting.

 

[And29]

So, Pro Mike Adams advocates the following drill to find your perfect backswing length:

[video=youtube;uQnIyD4LbVc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQnIyD4LbVc[/video]

For quickness:

1. Grab a club (or wooden spoon if you're not close to your bag- or your better half is watching)
2. Drop to your knees
3. Take a backswing from this position

How flexible are you? How far can you get the club back? I'm between a 1/2 and 3/4 swing

As someone who has always fought arm run-off (arms continuing after the body stops turning back), this is quite interesting.

i havent watch the video but Mike Adams dont look the most flexible chap

 

[PuttPuttSteve]

I had a lesson this afternoon and was quite surprised to find I was collapsing my left arm then casting the club, which explains my recent spate of 'chunks'. When my backswing was completed with a straight left arm it only went as far as the guy's in the video.

 

[Green Bay Hacker]

Overswinging has been a big problem for me in the past and from that video it appears it still is. Last summer I was going so far back with my driver I could see the club head before starting my down swing. Add in a fast back swing and it's no wonder that my game was going to pot. Slowing everything down has helped a bit but further reductions of the back swing may be the answer.

 

[williamalex1]

Flexibility by 10 pm could be a bit rubbery, so I'll give that test a miss.

 

[Hobbit]

Damn!

Don't do this with a large JD and coke on the occasional table behind you...

 

[sawtooth]

He is making the laid off club position sound like its a fault when most pros will do this with an iron in their hand, especially the shorter irons. !!?

 

[Three]

He is making the laid off club position sound like its a fault when most pros will do this with an iron in their hand, especially the shorter irons. !!?

No he's not. He says that people think it's laid off but it's not.
"Laid off" is when the club is pointing too far left when it's horizontal. In a good backswing, it will always be pointing left until it reaches horizontal, at which point it will be parallel to the ball-target line.

 

[sawtooth]

No he's not. He says that people think it's laid off but it's not.
"Laid off" is when the club is pointing too far left when it's horizontal. In a good backswing, it will always be pointing left until it reaches horizontal, at which point it will be parallel to the ball-target line.

Cross wires I think. I know what he said but you didn't really read what I posted.

He implied that the laid off position is a fault or something you shouldn't really be doing. You are saying that too which is fine and many will share that view.

But there is more than one way to swing a club and different teachings out there. Leslie King would have something very different to say about the "laid off" position.

 

[shewy]

Interesting, I've been known to catch the clubhead out of my left eye on the backswing, pretty sure I must be collapsing my leg to get there. Will have to give this a try

 

[Norrin Radd]

i would love to try this ,but for one thing ,i cant kneel down .

 

[Three]

Cross wires I think. I know what he said but you didn't really read what I posted.

He implied that the laid off position is a fault or something you shouldn't really be doing. You are saying that too which is fine and many will share that view.

But there is more than one way to swing a club and different teachings out there. Leslie King would have something very different to say about the "laid off" position.

I read exactly what you wrote. Whatever you meant, you wrote that "he makes the laid off club position sound like a fault, when most Pros will do this with a short iron in their hand".


No, most Pros will not be "laid off" with a short iron.

 

[Three]

i would love to try this ,but for one thing ,i cant kneel down .

Do it sitting in a chair.
Better still on a stool so that you don't smash your fingers up on the backswing.

 

[Norrin Radd]

good thinking batman.:thup:

 

[Three]

It's a great exercise sitting down, does the same as the video but if you keep your feet flat on the floor it gives you even more feeling of a real backswing.

 

[sawtooth]

I read exactly what you wrote. Whatever you meant, you wrote that "he makes the laid off club position sound like a fault, when most Pros will do this with a short iron in their hand".


No, most Pros will not be "laid off" with a short iron.

Again that depends on the interpretation of "laid off" and what golf teaching you choose to follow.

Leslie King , a respected coach from yesteryear has a very clear and different definition. And as his book was first published early sixties I hazard a guess that the term has since been misused or possibly "laid off " is desirable in one type of swing action but not in others - 1 plane v 2 plane for example.

From his book, master key to success at golf....

What is meant by the "laid off" shaft and is it good technique?
Here is the completed backswing with a medium iron and a driver.
Note that the shaft of the driver is horizontal to the ground and parallel to the intended line of flight. The shaft of the iron however, has stopped well short of the horizontal.... and therefore appears to be "laid off" as we say. This is perfectly correct.
The shaft of the driver reaches a near horizontal position simply because of the additional wrist action that occurs naturally with the longer clubs. The shorter distance shots are naturally more "firm wristed". That alone accounts for the different positions of the shaft.

 

[Three]

Again that depends on the interpretation of "laid off" and what golf teaching you choose to follow.

Leslie King , a respected coach from yesteryear has a very clear and different definition. And as his book was first published early sixties I hazard a guess that the term has since been misused or possibly "laid off " is desirable in one type of swing action but not in others - 1 plane v 2 plane for example.

From his book, master key to success at golf....

What is meant by the "laid off" shaft and is it good technique?
Here is the completed backswing with a medium iron and a driver.
Note that the shaft of the driver is horizontal to the ground and parallel to the intended line of flight. The shaft of the iron however, has stopped well short of the horizontal.... and therefore appears to be "laid off" as we say. This is perfectly correct.
The shaft of the driver reaches a near horizontal position simply because of the additional wrist action that occurs naturally with the longer clubs. The shorter distance shots are naturally more "firm wristed". That alone accounts for the different positions of the shaft.

Yes exactly, you are contradicting yourself.
The iron shaft is not considered laid off either by the guy in the video or Leslie King. Both make exactly the same point, ie that as the iron shaft has not yet reached horizontal it SHOULD be pointing to the left of target. What King is saying is identical to what anyone would say today.

 

[sawtooth]

Yes exactly, you are contradicting yourself.
The iron shaft is not considered laid off either by the guy in the video or Leslie King. Both make exactly the same point, ie that as the iron shaft has not yet reached horizontal it SHOULD be pointing to the left of target. What King is saying is identical to what anyone would say today.

Leslie King is saying that laid off is a good technique. The pro in the video implies the opposite.

Laid off according to King is simply a correct position of a golf club , short of horizontal and nothing wrong with that .

 

[JT77]

Thanks for posting this virtuocity, I had a watch this morning and went to the range to warm up before playing today, I found it helpful, been having a few issues with over swing, and kept all in check today to shoot 82, my irons were bang on, cheers. Not a great score but scrambled well in iffy conditions and felt more in control.

 

[Three]

Leslie King is saying that laid off is a good technique. The pro in the video implies the opposite.

Laid off according to King is simply a correct position of a golf club , short of horizontal and nothing wrong with that .

No. Both are saying exactly the same, you don't understand what "laid off" means.