MrC
Assistant Pro
Naive question - what do you do if you land on the wrong green?
Wrong green
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Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Find the nearest point that's not on the wrong green and drop within a club length(iirc)...Or 20 inches in a couple of years time..😕
ManinBlack
Tour Winner
Not nearer the hole.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Forgot that bit... Ta👍
Hosel Fade
Tour Rookie
Did I see that in the new proposed changes there is something in there about stance which apparently isn't in the current rules?
Colin L
Tour Winner
Just to refine that a little, you must take relief only if your ball is on the wrong putting green. Interference to your stance or area of intended swing is not included. Consequently, the nearest point of relief is where the ball is clear of the green: it doesn't matter if your feet would be on the green or if your swing would be over the green.
Watch out for a local rule that includes the apron as part of the putting green!
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Colin..
This is an area that could be simplified.
Sometimes when you take relief you have to take full relief and sometimes you don't...
Am i right in thinking that you have to take full relief from GUR?
What's the reason for that when, in the OP, you don't from a wrong green..?
Colin L
Tour Winner
You always have to take full relief from GUR except in a bunker. In the case of a wrong putting green, full relief means that the ball is clear of the putting surface, stance and area of swing not coming into it. That's because stance and area of intended swing aren't included in the original interference. It has an internal consistency and there are other instances where you might exclude stance and swing - but it is as you find it, complicated..
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atticusfinch
Challenge Tour Pro
Full relief means relief from the "interference" in the situation. The rule will specify what interference is. In this case rule 25-3a defines it. Stance is not interfered with by the wrong putting green, only the ball. GUR interference is defined in 25-1a and includes stance and swing.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Notwithstanding the other answers, there is a sort of logic that can be applied to it. GUR is, as it's named, ground being repaired. Therefore appropriate that we're not allowed to tramp all over it, nor to hack lumps out of it with a club. But with a wrong green, there's no real issue with standing on it, just not ok to take a divot out of it when you play a shot. Hence stance and area of swing don't need to be included??
rulie
Head Pro
But for consistency and simplicity, it might be better if the relief situations were the same as abnormal ground conditions.
atticusfinch
Challenge Tour Pro
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
It's more about simplifying things.
It's another, on the face of it, unnecessary difference that needs to be remembered
Wouldn't it simpler if, when taking relief from anything, you take full relief from whatever it is you're taking relief from..?
The R&A want to simplify rules - this would be no easy one to change.
It's another, on the face of it, unnecessary difference that needs to be remembered
Wouldn't it simpler if, when taking relief from anything, you take full relief from whatever it is you're taking relief from..?
The R&A want to simplify rules - this would be no easy one to change.
atticusfinch
Challenge Tour Pro
GUR is an abnormal situation. there is nothing abnormal about a wrong green...except the quality of the player's course management. 
bobmac
Major Champion
I take it you still have the option of playing from the GUR if you wish, or has that changed?
chrisd
Major Champion
Providing a local rule doesnt prohibit you from doing do
Colin L
Tour Winner
Yes unless play is prohibited from it by Local Rule as Chris says. I was referring to what you have to do if you are taking relief.
bobmac
Major Champion
I thought that was the case, just wanted to clarify
rulefan
Tour Winner
Some clubs seem to like to confuse matters when during the winter they have temporary/winter greens in and out of use.
They introduce a Local Rule declaring greens not in play to be GUR.
They introduce a Local Rule declaring greens not in play to be GUR.
rulie
Head Pro
I didn't say they were similar; merely suggesting that, for simplicity, the relief procedures could be the same.
The local Rule for protecting young trees uses the relief procedure in Rule 24-2 (immovable obstructions) but that doesn't deem the trees to be immovable obstructions.
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