GreiginFife
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If it's teh Tesla Roadster (not seen that image of it before, only seen side on ones) then it's $50,000...
For the deposit and another $150,000 on top...
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If it's teh Tesla Roadster (not seen that image of it before, only seen side on ones) then it's $50,000...
For the deposit and another $150,000 on top...
bobmac
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Have you looked at the Skoda Enyaq?
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I thought it was an Aston Martin badge
bobmac
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Canary_Yellow
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I think it's improving at every level.
Plenty that just look like their combustion equivalent, particularly in smaller cars, the 208 as an example, the Golf, Mini, loads of them.
The cost argument is compelling, the appearance argument I think is becoming increasingly less compelling.
GreiginFife
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I never even looked at the badge, it was the light design that made me thing Tesla Roadster. Nice looking from the front, but like the BMW 6 Series, it's like they gave up and went for drinks when they got to the back.
Canary_Yellow
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Given the size of child seats these days, there are very few cars that can fit three across the second row unfortunately. The q7 can, even things like the XC90 struggle. From a practical perspective, an MPV can't be beaten, I just can't do it....
The Tesla Model X is a very good large family car, but it's tremendously expensive.
bobmac
Major Champion
To be fair, it's only going to be ICE drivers who are going to see it from the back
Just kidding.
Tashyboy
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Talking to an old guy on holiday. His brother works for Bentley. He said the future of cars are hydrogen not electric. How far have we got on that one ?
GreiginFife
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To be fair, it's only going to be ICE drivers who are going to see it from the back
Just kidding.
At 200k there’s not many going to see them from any angle ?
Smiffy
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A bit like the VHS v BETAMAX and DVD-HD v BLU-RAY arguments.
Sadly, hydrogen cars will go the same way as BETAMAX and DVD-HD.
Electric cars are the future.
BiMGuy
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Hydrogen would still be electric. Just the hydrogen fuel cell will power the motors rather than a lithium battery.
bobmac
Major Champion
I suppose if you want 250mph and 0-60 in 1.9 secs, it's going to cost you.
How much was the Bugatti Veryon?
PhilTheFragger
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Hydrogen ain’t dead yet, not by a long way.
Fully expect to see lorries, busses etc going down this route, but the current infrastructure is rubbish.
spongebob59
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Ending the sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030 may not be realistic because the electric vehicle charging network isn’t close to being ready, a government advisory report has warned.
Sir John Armitt, head of the National Infrastructure Commission, said there was a “real risk” to the deadline because of the slow progress of installing new electric chargers.
Drivers will not switch away from fossil fuel cars quickly enough if they are not confident of being able to charge electric vehicles, the commission warned in a report published on Wednesday.
The electric vehicle charging network is “significantly behind where it needs to be” and without more chargers, drivers “will not have the confidence to make the switch to electric vehicles”, the report warns.
“There is not yet a visible core network of rapid chargers across the country, and significantly more publicly available charge points, including on street charge points, will be needed by 2030,” it says.
Estimates suggest that around 280,000 to 480,000 chargers will be needed across the country by 2030 to fulfil demand from drivers. Currently there are around 28,000.
The report also said confusion about how infrastructure projects will be paid for has delayed progress on net zero, including progress towards cleaner freight, heating and transport.
Funding confusion holding up delivery
“Delays to decisions on who pays are now holding up delivering infrastructure, including low carbon heat and energy efficiency. Open and honest conversations, followed by clear decisions, are needed to address this,” it warns.
A new subsidy being launched next month will offer householders £5,000 towards the cost of an electric heat pump in an effort to cut emissions from boilers used in home heating.
But the government has also been urged to improve funding for insulation and energy efficiency, which would cut costs for households as the cost of living crisis bites as well as reducing emissions.
Sir John added: “At a time of significant global volatility alongside concerns about rising living costs, we appreciate that sticking to a long-term strategy is not easy.
“But it is the only way to address the stubbornly difficult problems that will not become any easier or cheaper to solve by delaying action – and the quicker we tackle them, the quicker society and our environment will reap the benefits.”
A spokesman for the Department for Transport said: “We are providing over £1.3 billion to support the continued roll-out of charge points at homes, businesses and on residential streets.
“Our upcoming EV Infrastructure Strategy will soon be published, which will set out our vision to create a world-leading charging infrastructure network across the UK.”
Sir John Armitt, head of the National Infrastructure Commission, said there was a “real risk” to the deadline because of the slow progress of installing new electric chargers.
Drivers will not switch away from fossil fuel cars quickly enough if they are not confident of being able to charge electric vehicles, the commission warned in a report published on Wednesday.
The electric vehicle charging network is “significantly behind where it needs to be” and without more chargers, drivers “will not have the confidence to make the switch to electric vehicles”, the report warns.
“There is not yet a visible core network of rapid chargers across the country, and significantly more publicly available charge points, including on street charge points, will be needed by 2030,” it says.
Estimates suggest that around 280,000 to 480,000 chargers will be needed across the country by 2030 to fulfil demand from drivers. Currently there are around 28,000.
The report also said confusion about how infrastructure projects will be paid for has delayed progress on net zero, including progress towards cleaner freight, heating and transport.
Funding confusion holding up delivery
“Delays to decisions on who pays are now holding up delivering infrastructure, including low carbon heat and energy efficiency. Open and honest conversations, followed by clear decisions, are needed to address this,” it warns.
A new subsidy being launched next month will offer householders £5,000 towards the cost of an electric heat pump in an effort to cut emissions from boilers used in home heating.
But the government has also been urged to improve funding for insulation and energy efficiency, which would cut costs for households as the cost of living crisis bites as well as reducing emissions.
Sir John added: “At a time of significant global volatility alongside concerns about rising living costs, we appreciate that sticking to a long-term strategy is not easy.
“But it is the only way to address the stubbornly difficult problems that will not become any easier or cheaper to solve by delaying action – and the quicker we tackle them, the quicker society and our environment will reap the benefits.”
A spokesman for the Department for Transport said: “We are providing over £1.3 billion to support the continued roll-out of charge points at homes, businesses and on residential streets.
“Our upcoming EV Infrastructure Strategy will soon be published, which will set out our vision to create a world-leading charging infrastructure network across the UK.”
Robster59
Tour Rookie
The problem is the infrastructure. Petrol and diesel are relatively easy to transport. Hydrogen, less so. I can see hydrogen being used for buses and trucks where the vehicle returns to its depot for topping up every night (our entire fleet will convert to hydrogen), but I think hydrogen powered cars for general use in cars is a long way off.
spongebob59
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Hydrogen may well be the way forward but don't you need electricity to generate it? ?
Robster59
Tour Rookie
Yes, but our company is moving to take its energy from renewables. Nothing is ever really "green", but you can make strides to make it greener.
BiMGuy
LIV Bot, (But Not As Big As Mel) ?
Blue in Munich
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As is the capability argument. I often do a day trip to Princes in the winter. In the ICE, uses a quarter of a tank, tops. In an electric, whilst on paper it has the range, when you're running lights & heating I couldn't trust the real world range on a lot of vehicles to get me there & back without charging on arrival; anyone seen a charger down there? And the more people that go electric, the more of an issue it will become.
As the report quoted above alludes to, I don't think this has been fully thought through in terms of infrastructure.
Is there a reason why the charging unit isn't built into the car, so that the car only needs plugging into the mains?
