World Rankings top 100 - European Tour

[Biggleswade Blue]

How many players in the World Rankings Top 100, or even top 50, play exclusively on the European Tour? It looks to me like it is nigh on impossible to reach these higher echelons of the game, and so qualify for majors, and WGC events without playing in the States. Am I right?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You need to play in the events where the ranking points are the highest - you can be a member of the ET solely and be high because you will gain points from the majors and WGC

Grace , Willet , Lowry , Sullivan , Weisburger , Jaidee plus a lot of others are in the top 100 and are ET members on the whole

But because a lot of the world top 50 are playing on the US PGA that's where most of the ranking points are

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

None of the top 50 guys will as they automatically qualify for Majors and WGC events and out of the next 50 I suspect the answer is very few. The majority of them will still make it into the big events.

 

[Imurg]

I doubt any of the top 100 play exclusively on the ET.
3 Majors as well as 3 WGCs in the States mean those that qualify will almost certainly play one or two events in the run up to them.
Maybe some in the high 80s to 100 might not play much elsewhere but they probably aren't solely European Tour players

 

[Biggleswade Blue]

So how well do you have to play if you are based in Europe to get in to that magical top 100/50? A win? Several wins? A season full of top 10s?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So how well do you have to play if you are based in Europe to get in to that magical top 100/50? A win? Several wins? A season full of top 10s?

A couple of wins in a season will get you into a WGC

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It's a global game and players will go where they can get into the field and where ranking points are on offer

 

[richart]

Andy Sullivan went from 150 odd in rankings at the start of the year to 30 odd by winning three tournaments this year, and coming second in Dubai. He should be able to improve his rankings further by now playing in all the big comps.

 

[Imurg]

So how well do you have to play if you are based in Europe to get in to that magical top 100/50? A win? Several wins? A season full of top 10s?

A lot depends on where you start from in the rankings and which events you play well in.
Win the Madeira, Mauritius and Russian Opens and youll get a 2 year exemption to the Tour but get naff all World Ranking points. WR points are based on the number of top 100 players in the field. No top 100 players = few or no points.
Winning the PGA at Wentworth, though, gets you 64 points.
Tot up all you points over a 2 year period and divide by either the number of events played, 40(minimum) or 56(maximum) and that's your points average.
Tyrell Hatton is currently 100th with an average of 1.6235
Points won degrade over time. After 9 weeks any points reduce by a small pecentage every week until they drop off the scale after 2 years. For example...
Rory's Open win in 2014 gave him 100 points but they're now worth 36.96
Jordans US Open win this year, again worth 100 points, is now worth 89.13
Bubba's Masters win of 2014, 100 points again, are now worth 21.74

Roope Kakko won the Madeira this year and got 18 points, that moved him from 514th to 255th.
Those points are already degrading and are now worth 17.22 and will drop each week.

So it takes plenty of good scoring over 2 years to get into that top 100.
Players outside at the moment include Richie Ramsey, Eddie Pepperell, Stephen Gallagher, Pablo Larrazabal, Padraig Harrington to name but a few.

 

[Biggleswade Blue]

Thank you for the explanation Imurg. It was Eddie Pepperell I had in mind actually - playing reasonably well (though a bit more consistency wouldn't go a miss), 3 top 10, 1 2nd last year, 50th on Road to Dubai not quite breaking that 100th place. I wondered what he would need to do - is it a win, a few more top 10s etc, and I wondered whether the equivalent player in the USA would 50th in Fed Ex, would also be about 100th, or would he be higher? I suspect higher, but by how much?

I've just looked it up - Brendan Steele, 1 top 10, 2 top 25s, World Ranking 76th, so about 25 places in it. Perhaps I've answered my own question, whatever it was!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Points won degrade over time. After 9 weeks any points reduce by a small pecentage every week until they drop off the scale after 2 years. For example...
Rory's Open win in 2014 gave him 100 points but they're now worth 36.96
Jordans US Open win this year, again worth 100 points, is now worth 89.13
Bubba's Masters win of 2014, 100 points again, are now worth 21.74

Roope Kakko won the Madeira this year and got 18 points, that moved him from 514th to 255th.
Those points are already degrading and are now worth 17.22 and will drop each week.

I've always understood the concept of how the rankings work but never looked into the actual maths. When you see it broken down like this you realise just how horrendously complicated it is

 

[Imurg]

I've always understood the concept of how the rankings work but never looked into the actual maths. When you see it broken down like this you realise just how horrendously complicated it is

On yes.
Just look at Tiger's numbers
Currently 394th on 0.4774 points
His point total is 19.1.
By The Masters, that number will be down to 18 or less and he'll be 420th or worse.
If, by some miracle, he plays and wins The Masters, all of a sudden he will have 118 points and an average of 2.95 - good enough for a top 40 spot....

 

[Imurg]

Thank you for the explanation Imurg. It was Eddie Pepperell I had in mind actually - playing reasonably well (though a bit more consistency wouldn't go a miss), 3 top 10, 1 2nd last year, 50th on Road to Dubai not quite breaking that 100th place. I wondered what he would need to do - is it a win, a few more top 10s etc, and I wondered whether the equivalent player in the USA would 50th in Fed Ex, would also be about 100th, or would he be higher? I suspect higher, but by how much?

I've just looked it up - Brendan Steele, 1 top 10, 2 top 25s, World Ranking 76th, so about 25 places in it. Perhaps I've answered my own question, whatever it was!

Eddie's ranking could rise quite dramatically early next year.
He missed a raft of cuts in early 2014 so he has few points dropping off, just degradation of existing ones.
If he has a couple of good early season finishes his points will rise quite quickly.

 

[Val]

Lee Westwood was world no 1 playing almost exclusively on the ET with no PGA tour membership. Other than a couple of invites to PGA tour events prior to majors and WGC events all his golf was on the ET.

 

[Sheffieldhacker]

Matt fitzpatrick managed to get top 50 this playing all but the odd event exclusive to the European tour. 10 top 10s and a win in his first season. Class act