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Based upon the fact that it was stated he'd submitted his 3 cards then refused to hand in one of them.
Scores for initial handicap do not need to be pre-registered and as such, there is nothing explicit in the rules to prevent cherry picking which cards to submit. Handicap committees just need to be wise to this and educate/adjust accordingly.
 
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Based upon the fact that it was stated he'd submitted his 3 cards then refused to hand in one of them.
I had not read it through properly.

We have a new lad recently joined our Club who was a member at a Club in Dubai, not sure how long ago and wanted to submit 3 cards. He used to play off 8 and is keen to remain similar. He submitted 3 cards and whilst my knowledge is limited his 3 Gross scores were 89,79 and 88. No idea about nett double bogeys if relevant. Course Rating 69.7, slope 129. From my calculations the figures would be 16.0, 8.14 and 16.03. This would equate to 8.14 -2 =6.1 HI.

However if my calculation is correct I gained the impression he thought it would be the AVERAGE and said he would not submit the last card although he did it was for handicap purposes before he went out. Is he allowed to pick and chose re submission of cards and are my figures re calculation correct? If incorrect kindly explain where I have gone wrong and thank you for your help.

The 6.1:was arrived at by (79-69.7) x113/129 =8.14-2 = 6.1
Do you know you can check the handicap record of any player at any club via EG?
 
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Nick, many thanks for your swift response. I told him that he could NOT pick and chose. Actually he wants a low handicap and I gained the impression he thought mistakenly that by submitting scores of 19,18, and 8 over par he would receive an average around 15. He stressed 4 times last week he does not want to be classed as a bandit. Really appreciate your help
Ahh right....I misinterpreted the reasoning for him not putting in the third card....I offer him my virtual apologies for intimating that he was trying to manipulate the system in a way that was beneficial to him.

Perhaps I'd be better off not responding whilst walking round an uninspiring manor house museum on a family day out. :LOL:
 
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What do you base that upon? Rule and number please. (assuming no preregistration of intent).
Not withstanding the fact that the player had submitted three cards then decided he did not want one to count (for positive reasons as it turned out) I would say that...

1.3 (i) Player

A player is expected to:

Act with integrity by following the Rules of Handicapping.....etc etc


would be an applicable rule

To my mind this is equally relevant whether a player is wanting to ignore good scores, so he gets a higher handicap than is truly accurate, or if he wants to omit high scores because he wants to keep his handicap low.
 
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Scores for initial handicap do not need to be pre-registered and as such, there is nothing explicit in the rules to prevent cherry picking which cards to submit. Handicap committees just need to be wise to this and educate/adjust accordingly.
As he's either playing in a comp and scoring, then by dint is expected to hand in the card at the end, or is using the general play function to record his card, then yes there are rules. Also, there will be specifics within his club on how he is expected to register and score a card for initial handicap.
 

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As he's either playing in a comp and scoring, then by dint is expected to hand in the card at the end, or is using the general play function to record his card, then yes there are rules. Also, there will be specifics within his club on how he is expected to register and score a card for initial handicap.
You're embellishing the scenario - there was no indication in the op that any comp was being played or any pre-registration was done for these 3 scores. I suspect most clubs merely ask for 3 cards played in accordance with the rules of golf, with no further qualification as to when or how.
 

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Not withstanding the fact that the player had submitted three cards then decided he did not want one to count (for positive reasons as it turned out) I would say that...

1.3 (i) Player

A player is expected to:

Act with integrity by following the Rules of Handicapping.....etc etc

would be an applicable rule

To my mind this is equally relevant whether a player is wanting to ignore good scores, so he gets a higher handicap than is truly accurate, or if he wants to omit high scores because he wants to keep his handicap low.
see post #1244

I had already realised my mistake
 

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Gents as I posted #1237 please let me try and clarify. The guy wants a low handicap as he was previously off 8 no idea how long ago in Dubai.

He had 2 cards marked but not submitted, 89 and 79 Gross. He said yesterday he was going to submit a 3rd after being marked yesterday, he was not in our Group. When he shot 88 he said he was going to discard that card and have another card marked. Hope this makes sense.

Another simple question please. When submitting cards for handicap purposes is nett double bogey used for calculating initial HI. if so how please?

Many thanks
 

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Gents as I posted #1237 please let me try and clarify. The guy wants a low handicap as he was previously off 8 no idea how long ago in Dubai.

He had 2 cards marked but not submitted, 89 and 79 Gross. He said yesterday he was going to submit a 3rd after being marked yesterday, he was not in our Group. When he shot 88 he said he was going to discard that card and have another card marked. Hope this makes sense.

Another simple question please. When submitting cards for handicap purposes is nett double bogey used for calculating initial HI. if so how please?

Many thanks
No, there is no such thing as NETT double bogey, as the player has no handicap to begin with to calculate a nett score.

All bad scores are rounded down to Par+5
 
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Gents as I posted #1237 please let me try and clarify. The guy wants a low handicap as he was previously off 8 no idea how long ago in Dubai.

He had 2 cards marked but not submitted, 89 and 79 Gross. He said yesterday he was going to submit a 3rd after being marked yesterday, he was not in our Group. When he shot 88 he said he was going to discard that card and have another card marked. Hope this makes sense.

Another simple question please. When submitting cards for handicap purposes is nett double bogey used for calculating initial HI. if so how please?

Many thanks
I think we got it....it was my initial misinterpretation of the reasoning for not submitting the third card that caused confusion. Though I still don't think he should be able to pick and choose which cards he submits even if his intentions are to avoid getting a higher handicap than he thinks he can play off....even if he submitted three poor cards initially players handicaps are so volatile when they only have a handful of cards in their record that it would only take a couple of decent rounds to kick them out of his "counting scores".
 
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A stat on another badly failing part of WHS, the PCC. Not sure if it was always there and I never saw it, or it's recently been added, anyway, we can now see the PCC change from every course on a given day.

So Sunday, 413 courses generated a PCC, and how many did it vary from 0 on? Eight. o_O
 

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So Sunday, 413 courses generated a PCC, and how many did it vary from 0 on? Eight. o_O
You mean 8 Scottish courses experienced tornadoes and volcanic eruptions/earthquakes on Sunday? Would have been 9 but there were insufficient fatalities to change PCC!! :eek:

A couple of the 8 were "minus" as Trump was over for a game against Kim Jong Un! :)
 

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A stat on another badly failing part of WHS, the PCC. Not sure if it was always there and I never saw it, or it's recently been added, anyway, we can now see the PCC change from every course on a given day.

So Sunday, 413 courses generated a PCC, and how many did it vary from 0 on? Eight. o_O
In what way was that a failure?
 
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