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No it isn't, it's a course handicap board with the % adjustment you then need to make at the side. There's literally no playing handicaps shown there.
Not sure if I'm missing some item of pedantry somewhere, but if i want to play in, say, a singles strokeplay event, I'm pretty sure I can see my playing handicap on that chart ?
 
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Not sure if I'm missing some item of pedantry somewhere, but if i want to play in, say, a singles strokeplay event, I'm pretty sure I can see my playing handicap on that chart ?
Yeah you're missing that we've been talking about their redundancy in Scotland, where exact decimal point CH's are used, therefore PH can't be shown, as someone said the sign would need to be the size of a green to accommodate it all. Swango keeps deliberatly ignoring what we're talking about and conflates us with Wales, Ireland & England
 

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Never ever used one of these or needed one. Only times some odd % allowance was required was when a comp organiser at an open decided upon themselves to introduce that condition. Likely to protect against higher handicappers rather than a mandatory condition set by CONGU. And, if this condition was set, the organisers usually wrote your playing handicap on the card anyway.
7/8ths was a real brain stretcher (singles stableford)
 

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It's only relatively recently (2008, I think) that singles match play went to full difference, and only a few years ago that four-ball match play went to 9/10.
I was comparing it to immediately pre WHS, I have no doubt deeper into history things could have been more complex. I guess there were good reasons it became simpler over the years
 

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I am missing something... I have two adjacent scores this year of 86 in medals. One off yellow, one off whites. Yellow is CR 71 and slope 128. White is CR 71.9 and slope 131.

The score diff is 1.0 LESS of whites. (PCC both 0) Someone can explain the logic of that to me, if not the maths!!
 

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That's the maths, that about the logic?

An 86 off the forward tees is better than an 86 of the medal tees? I don't get it :)
The lower the differential, the better the score. In other words, the 86 from the whites (SD=12.2) is better than the 86 from the yellows (SD=13.2).
 

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If I play in an away Open Singles Comp. with a max HI say 18 and my HI is say 19 but I am allowed to play will this affect the score I submit to my Home Club? I am in England and The Competition will be In Scotland
 

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If I play in an away Open Singles Comp. with a max HI say 18 and my HI is say 19 but I am allowed to play will this affect the score I submit to my Home Club? I am in England and The Competition will be In Scotland
As Dick says. In general, your playing handicap (i.e. the number of strokes you get in a particular competition) has nothing to do with the re-calculation of your handicap index after the competition. It's entirely to do with sorting out who wins it.
 

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We have a new lad recently joined our Club who was a member at a Club in Dubai, not sure how long ago and wanted to submit 3 cards. He used to play off 8 and is keen to remain similar. He submitted 3 cards and whilst my knowledge is limited his 3 Gross scores were 89,79 and 88. No idea about nett double bogeys if relevant. Course Rating 69.7, slope 129. From my calculations the figures would be 16.0, 8.14 and 16.03. This would equate to 8.14 -2 =6.1 HI.

However if my calculation is correct I gained the impression he thought it would be the AVERAGE and said he would not submit the last card although he did it was for handicap purposes before he went out. Is he allowed to pick and chose re submission of cards and are my figures re calculation correct? If incorrect kindly explain where I have gone wrong and thank you for your help.

The 6.1:was arrived at by (79-69.7) x113/129 =8.14-2 = 6.1
 
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We have a new lad recently joined our Club who was a member at a Club in Dubai, not sure how long ago and wanted to submit 3 cards. He used to play off 8 and is keen to remain similar. He submitted 3 cards and whilst my knowledge is limited his 3 Gross scores were 89,79 and 88. No idea about nett double bogeys if relevant. Course Rating 69.7, slope 129. From my calculations the figures would be 16.0, 8.14 and 16.03. This would equate to 8.14 -2 =6.1 HI.

However if my calculation is correct I gained the impression he thought it would be the AVERAGE and said he would not submit the last card although he did it was for handicap purposes before he went out. Is he allowed to pick and chose re submission of cards and are my figures re calculation correct? If incorrect kindly explain where I have gone wrong and thank you for your help.

The 6.1:was arrived at by (79-69.7) x113/129 =8.14-2 = 6.1
Your calculation looks fine to me.

The player is not allowed to cherry pick what cards go in for submission....if he refuses to submit a card that he had decided would be "for handicap" so that his handicap remains high then effectively he is cheating. Unfortunately...the low score is now like the proverbial Elephant in the room....he knows about it, you know about it and he knows that you know about it. If he now submits another card and its similar to his other two scores (high 80's) is he going to say...no I don't like that one because its going to put me off a much higher handicap than I had in Dubai? So he then goes out and his 4th round is in the 70's and cleans up in a comp....how will you feel? Is he going to keep ignoring his third card until he gets one that gives him an index of 8?

Blokes swinging it if you ask me. Dob him in to the axeman handicap sec.
 

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Your calculation looks fine to me.

The player is not allowed to cherry pick what cards go in for submission....if he refuses to submit a card that he had decided would be "for handicap" so that his handicap remains high then effectively he is cheating. Unfortunately...the low score is now like the proverbial Elephant in the room....he knows about it, you know about it and he knows that you know about it. If he now submits another card and its similar to his other two scores (high 80's) is he going to say...no I don't like that one because its going to put me off a much higher handicap than I had in Dubai? So he then goes out and his 4th round is in the 70's and cleans up in a comp....how will you feel? Is he going to keep ignoring his third card until he gets one that gives him an index of 8?

Blokes swinging it if you ask me. Dob him in to the axeman handicap sec.
Nick, many thanks for your swift response. I told him that he could NOT pick and chose. Actually he wants a low handicap and I gained the impression he thought mistakenly that by submitting scores of 19,18, and 8 over par he would receive an average around 15. He stressed 4 times last week he does not want to be classed as a bandit. Really appreciate your help
 

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Nick, many thanks for your swift response. I told him that he could NOT pick and chose. Actually he wants a low handicap and I gained the impression he thought mistakenly that by submitting scores of 19,18, and 8 over par he would receive an average around 15. He stressed 4 times last week he does not want to be classed as a bandit. Really appreciate your help
Perhaps you could reassure him that, if he submits the 3 cards - as he should - his new HI of 6.1 is likely to increase quite quickly. That is on the proviso that he gets more scores onto his record that are not as good as the best of his first 3. The sooner he increases the number of scores on his record, the more realistic it becomes.
 
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