World Handicap System 2020

rosecott said:
It may be a memory failure on my part but I seem to remember it being said on the seminar I attended that ISVs would be producing an estimate of your possible Handicap Index around now. Does anyone who attended the seminars recall that being said - or is it just me with a false memory.
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The one I attended said that EG would email everyone with an active handicap in Autumn this year saying what their current exect handicap is and what their new handicap index would be based on all the score in their database.
 
mikejohnchapman said:
The one I attended said that EG would email everyone with an active handicap in Autumn this year saying what their current exect handicap is and what their new handicap index would be based on all the score in their database.
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I was told today that it would be later than that. See post #18
 
Well, you are obviously well ahead down there with workshops and presentation packs and so on, but that's to come with us and I for one am happy to be dealing with the rules and the handicapping sequentially! Just a matter of timing and perhaps of resources.
 
Given that it is a world system I can't see why the CONGU unions (at least) can't have one new common CDH software system. I hope they are not all trying to write their own. Presumably, in theory there should only be one master system for the whole world. But I have a horrible feeling we are going to end up with a series of trans-world interfaces.
 
Training of trainers is going on. I attended a 2 day R&A/USGA seminar last month at The Belfry and I believe rulefan will be attending one soon (or perhaps has already done so). The training was comprehensive and thorough, based on the final draft of the rule book. As I understand it, the next phase of "rolling out" will be as arranged by your national association. Scottish Golf has not yet announced the timetable for its programme but there will be one and those who, like me, took part in the training will be acting as regional advisers in support of the full-time SG team.

You talk about pushing it through by 2020. My understanding is that it that it will be implemented in the course of 2020. Flexibility is needed to accommodate the varying golf seasons around the world.
 
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As Colin suggests, flexibility will drive the implementation around the world. Different countries will have different software to adapt or rewrite.
England Golf are suggesting that they are expecting 'back end of next year'. It is not clear whether that is England only or CONGU as a whole. England had the additional problem of having to rerate nearly 2000 courses. But I understand they are well on the way.

I don't expect a lot of confusion. IMO the WHS is simpler for players to understand than CCS and category buffer zone machinations . The complication (apart from rating) has been the specification and writing/testing of the conversion software and the actual package itself.
The process for players is simple. Check your handicap for the course (by app or notice board). Play. Record and return your scores. Punch the buttons (or your committee will). Wait over night and see if your handicap has changed in the morning on your phone.
The only significant point is having a different playing handicap for different courses and tees. But as I said, it'll be on an app or at the course 1st tee/pro shop.
 
rulefan said:
Punch the buttons (or your committee will). Wait over night and see if your handicap has changed in the morning on your phone.
The only significant point is having a different playing handicap for different courses and tees. But as I said, it'll be on an app or at the course 1st tee/pro shop.
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Which is all great for the tech savvy, however, I play with a couple of dinosaurs who have major issues on how to use a phone by calling someone, they are never going to have smartphones less be able to operate one to find where they are when it comes to handicap.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
Which is all great for the tech savvy, however, I play with a couple of dinosaurs who have major issues on how to use a phone by calling someone, they are never going to have smartphones less be able to operate one to find where they are when it comes to handicap.
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They don't have to change. Do as they do now when returning scores. At present they have to wait until the comp has been closed and the results published and posted on the notice board, may be a few days later.
In future, scores will be automatically transmitted to the centre, processed overnight and handicap changes reported back to the the club in the morning. The club should then post them straight away.
Handicaps will generally only change as a result of an unusually high or low score as it is based on an average. ie last 8 of 20.
 
rulefan said:
They don't have to change. Do as they do now when returning scores. At present they have to wait until the comp has been closed and the results published and posted on the notice board, may be a few days later.
In future, scores will be automatically transmitted to the centre, processed overnight and handicap changes reported back to the the club in the morning. The club should then post them straight away.
Handicaps will generally only change as a result of an unusually high or low score as it is based on an average. ie last 8 of 20.
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Although there is the small matter of match play....😎
 
I guess in a way, with the current system, you don't even need to know your handicap and once we sign in we get a printed label that has the handicap on it, may just be an issue for playing away courses.
 
rulefan said:
Why would it be different to now? Full difference between playing/course handicap.

But I must be missing something.
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My point is that, in relation to posts #28/29/30 players will have to be able to establish (claculate/reference from chart/look up on an App) their playing handicap floor any given set of tees when competing in match play.
Currently a handicap is a handicap is a handicap...
The answer is the humble table, which will find it's way into numerous noticeboard at most clubs...but they will need something beyond their handicap index.
 
duncan mackie said:
My point is that, in relation to posts #28/29/30 players will have to be able to establish (claculate/reference from chart/look up on an App) their playing handicap floor any given set of tees when competing in match play.
Currently a handicap is a handicap is a handicap...
The answer is the humble table, which will find it's way into numerous noticeboard at most clubs...but they will need something beyond their handicap index.
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Still not sure why matchplay would create any difficulty over stroke play though?

For both formats, you'll turn up, with your known handicap; check what your playing handicap is for the course by consulting the table provided by the course; then play. Only difference with matchplay is that you have to do your 90% difference calculation - which you have to do now anyway? Or am l missing something from the query?
 
backwoodsman said:
Still not sure why matchplay would create any difficulty over stroke play though?

For both formats, you'll turn up, with your known handicap; check what your playing handicap is for the course by consulting the table provided by the course; then play. Only difference with matchplay is that you have to do your 90% difference calculation - which you have to do now anyway? Or am l missing something from the query?
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Exactly
 
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