World Handicap System 2020

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Is anybody up to date with what is happening please?

1.Read somewhere that you will be allowed to submit scores for competitive and recreational golf rounds to count. What exactly doe this mean? I.e. Is it compulsory OR not for roll up games?

2. Best 8 of last 20 scores factoring in memory of previous demonstrated ability for better responsiveness and control. Seems extremely vague.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
So long as the software companies are ready in time, (which I doubt) you should be able to submit scores for any round you play, anywhere on the globe, having signified your intention to play in advance, and your marker does the same.

It won't be compulsory, that's a myth, it will be optional.

The average of the best 8 of your last 20 scores will be used to work out a handicap index, which, together with the slope and course rating for where you are playing, will provide your playing handicap.

So it's more a historical record, not incremental, so no automatic +0.1 for having a bad round.

Supposed to be in place for start of 2020, but I reckon it will be nearer Spring 2020.
 
1. For existing CONGU players nothing will change in this regard.
Q comps + supplementals + committee consideration of any other evidence. Only real impact would be on existing cat 1 rules (which vary across regions anyway and keep changing...so it should just stabilise).
2. I believe it's already implemented in some areas - primary delaying factors currently in the UK revolve around course ratings; when those are resolved it's a matter of communication and a couple of IT switches. It will be what it will be.
Yes, there are a number of fiddle factors in the written rules and programmes - just ignore them (as most do with the existing system!). They are fundamentally there as up front statements that anyone showing surprising form relative to history will be looked at closely rather than simply jumping from 8 to 18 based on 20 returned scores.
 
Duncan

Is it compulsory to submit scores for every round that is played. What about 9 holes or say 12?

Seems a bit hit and miss to me and liable to manipulation. I know in New Zealand they are supposed to submit cards at present every time they play but this does not happen.

From 1/1/20 does every start from no scores submitted and if so it could be April for example before people get up and running and much longer in some cases.
 
The UK will not initially be implementing the requirement to submit all scores. We will stick to competitions and predeclared and marked rounds (much as supplementary scores now).
So called 'casual rounds' do not feature in the new system at all
 
Thanks RF.

Moving on I am confused how this will be implemented e.g. on say 10th May2020 I will have played say 3 medal rounds. If my handicap on 1/1/20 is 15.4 exact what will be my handicap as there are 0.1’s coming back. Realise there are other things to take into consideration but this is part of my query.

Is there anywhere to find more information please?
 
At the latest Enhland golf seminar we were told that WHS is due to be up and running mid to late 2020 and they are aiming to run the Congu system and WHS system side by side for every one to acclimatise to the new one with full implementation late 2020
 
3offTheTee said:
Thanks RF.

Moving on I am confused how this will be implemented e.g. on say 10th May2020 I will have played say 3 medal rounds. If my handicap on 1/1/20 is 15.4 exact what will be my handicap as there are 0.1’s coming back. Realise there are other things to take into consideration but this is part of my query.

Is there anywhere to find more information please?
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OK RF has confirmed one side, regarding the 'switchover' on 10th May 2020 you would only have 3 scores if that's all you have ever (ever) played on the system. Most people will have 20 handicap records already (now); for a period they will be aware of both their CONGU existing handicap and their CONGU WHS handicap - and at some point they (everyone) will switch to their WHS one, and the associated calculations to establish their playing handicap from a particular set of tees on a particular course....
Jumping ahead of your questions, the basic underlying calculations and data strongly suggest that Joe average around 24 will increase a bit, 15 maybe 2, 9 around 1 and most low handicap players will be constant. These are averages, and individual cases will include exact rounding etc as well as data disparity. Today my 14 would increase to 15, a month ago it would have been 17 (I've suddenly put in a fee solid scores for a change!), but of course this is still a handicap index and until the course is rated I won't be able to compare my existing CONGU playing handicap/SSS with my new handicap index/course and tee rating to give a playing handicap.
Then again I don't really care - what will be will be; one good round could currently change things significantly more!
 
It may be a memory failure on my part but I seem to remember it being said on the seminar I attended that ISVs would be producing an estimate of your possible Handicap Index around now. Does anyone who attended the seminars recall that being said - or is it just me with a false memory.
 
rosecott said:
It may be a memory failure on my part but I seem to remember it being said on the seminar I attended that ISVs would be producing an estimate of your possible Handicap Index around now. Does anyone who attended the seminars recall that being said - or is it just me with a false memory.
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No don't recall that ;)
 
rosecott said:
It may be a memory failure on my part but I seem to remember it being said on the seminar I attended that ISVs would be producing an estimate of your possible Handicap Index around now. Does anyone who attended the seminars recall that being said - or is it just me with a false memory.
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I think there was a timeline that involved early 2019 at some point...
 
I doubt the ISVs will be charged with that task as they would have to write the appropriate software for their own database structure.
Further, it is possible that one or two of the small ISVs may not continue with the WHS system.

Individual clubs do not necessarily keep records for the same length of time. Some clubs delete old records after 2 or even 1 year. Many remove the records when a player transfers to another club. Some players only put in a few scores each year. The conversion algorithm needs 20 qualifying scores to perform the calculations. If there are fewer the algorithm tries to make a best estimate from what it's got. But I suspect this is where clubs may be required to consider manual adjustments one the results have been downloaded to the clubs' systems.
It is almost certain that the CDH will be used as the primary source as it is the only comprehensive data store and only one piece of software will be commissioned by EG or the relevant national union/association.

I understand the algorithms are still being worked on and tested.
 
rosecott said:
It may be a memory failure on my part but I seem to remember it being said on the seminar I attended that ISVs would be producing an estimate of your possible Handicap Index around now. Does anyone who attended the seminars recall that being said - or is it just me with a false memory.
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Yes, I remember this is what I was told. Should be posted shortly, an illustration of what would be your handicap index under the new system.
 
rulefan said:
I doubt the ISVs will be charged with that task as they would have to write the appropriate software for their own database structure.
Further, it is possible that one or two of the small ISVs may not continue with the WHS system.

Individual clubs do not necessarily keep records for the same length of time. Some clubs delete old records after 2 or even 1 year. Many remove the records when a player transfers to another club. Some players only put in a few scores each year. The conversion algorithm needs 20 qualifying scores to perform the calculations. If there are fewer the algorithm tries to make a best estimate from what it's got. But I suspect this is where clubs may be required to consider manual adjustments one the results have been downloaded to the clubs' systems.
It is almost certain that the CDH will be used as the primary source as it is the only comprehensive data store and only one piece of software will be commissioned by EG or the relevant national union/association.

I understand the algorithms are still being worked on and tested.
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The algorithms are specified to work with any number of historical scores, excess of 20, less than 20, or initial handicap.
 
rulefan said:
How can it take best 8 from 20 if the player only has 10 scores?
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there will be a sliding index up to 20 rounds, I cant remember the exact numbers but for 10 rounds it would maybe be the best 4, they will alos be starting to collect this data sometime during 2019.
 
For less than 20 scores the conversion will use a pro rata formula. It will be the same process as when a player start fresh. For every score/return after the first allocation (54 holes) the handicap index will be updated.

Incidentally, the ISV systems will do no handicap calculations/adjustments. They will take place at the overnight process in the new CDH. All qualifying scores recorded during the day will be uploaded to the CDH overnight, for the calculations to be done. Changes will then be downloaded to the club's ISV system.

Visitors in an open qualifier will have to provide their CDH ID to the committee in order for the true current index to be made available for the competition. The ISV systems will not 'own' the handicap, the 'owner' will be the CDH.

It is anticipated the the 'indicative' handicap values will be posted late this year or early next year
 
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