Women playing in Mens' Comp

[IanM]

This morning we had a woman enter what is technically a men's comp. It was a "best 2 from 4" stableford, someone cried off so a chap got his wife to play. Newport 71.9/131 Reds 73.3/125

I remember playing an Pairs Open at Wells this summer where some women were playing and I got an extra shot as a result (which surprised me!) Wells: 69.1 / 127 Reds 71.4/125

Help! How do you work out amendments, if any??

 

[Colin L]

Medal play: subtract the lower course rating from the higher and those playing the higher (more difficult) receive the difference. 73.3 - 71.9 = 1.4
Stabelford:

 

[Skytot]

Medal play: subtract the lower course rating from the higher and those playing the higher (more difficult) receive the difference. 73.3 - 71.9 = 1.4
Stabelford:

Thanks for the explanation, me and my mates were wondering why we got a extra 2 shots yesterday in a Stableford.
Reds 73.3. - 71.5 whites = 1.8 so 2 shots

 

[wjemather]

Thanks for the explanation, me and my mates were wondering why we got a extra 2 shots yesterday in a Stableford.
Reds 73.3. - 71.5 whites = 1.8 so 2 shots

Difference in Course Ratings is the adjustment for regular stroke play (medal).
The adjustment for Stableford is somewhat different and is the difference in play-to-handicap scores, i.e. {36 - (Course Rating - Par)} [edit] rounded to the nearest integer.

 

[Colin L]

Thanks for the explanation, me and my mates were wondering why we got a extra 2 shots yesterday in a Stableford.
Reds 73.3. - 71.5 whites = 1.8 so 2 shots

Must have fallen asleep before writing up the stableford bit - which is different from medal stroke play because points are awarded against the par of each hole and the allowance depends on how many points you need to gain to play to your handicap. You need to let us know the par of each course to work out the allowance.

 

[backwoodsman]

We have a potential mixed, individual stableford, comp coming up - men playing off white and women playing off red as follows.

Men's White - CR 67.6, Par 68 so [36 - (CR - Par)] = 36.4
Ladies Red - CR 70.4, Par 70 so [36 - (CR - Par)] = 35.6

So the difference between Mens White and Ladies Red is 0.8. Rounded = 1

Am I correct in this instance, that the Ladies get one extra shot on their handicap for this comp?

 

[wjemather]

We have a potential mixed, individual stableford, comp coming up - men playing off white and women playing off red as follows.

Men's White - CR 67.6, Par 68 so [36 - (CR - Par)] = 36.4
Ladies Red - CR 70.4, Par 70 so [36 - (CR - Par)] = 35.6

So the difference between Mens White and Ladies Red is 0.8. Rounded = 1

Am I correct in this instance, that the Ladies get one extra shot on their handicap for this comp?

Not quite, as the play-to-handicap score is an integer. So the men's is 36 points, and the women's is also 36 points, meaning there is no adjustment.

 

[doublebogey7]

Not quite, as the play-to-handicap score is an integer. So the men's is 36 points, and the women's is also 36 points, meaning there is no adjustment.

I don't think that is right. On Page 35 of CONGU's guide to WHS, they show an example of the calculation and the difference in CR is to 1 decimal place.

 

[IanM]

Difference in Course Ratings is the adjustment for regular stroke play (medal).
The adjustment for Stableford is somewhat different and is the difference in play-to-handicap scores, i.e. {36 - (Course Rating - Par)} [edit] rounded to the nearest integer.

So in the Newport example, White 71.Red 73.3, what should happen in a Team stableford?

 

[doublebogey7]

So in the Newport example, White 71.Red 73.3, what should happen in a Team stableford?

As this is Stableford we would also need to know the Pars for those tees in order to give you an answer.

 

[IanM]

As this is Stableford we would also need to know the Pars for those tees in order to give you an answer.

Men 72, ladies red, 74

 

[backwoodsman]

I don't think that is right. On Page 35 of CONGU's guide to WHS, they show an example of the calculation and the difference in CR is to 1 decimal place.

Have you got a link to this guide?

(Page 36 of the one I've looked at (the R&A /USGA guide to handicapping) doesn't have that sort of calculation on it.)

 

[IanM]

I don't think that is right. On Page 35 of CONGU's guide to WHS, they show an example of the calculation and the difference in CR is to 1 decimal place.

Have you got a link to this guide?

(Page 36 of the one I've looked at (the R&A /USGA guide to handicapping) doesn't have that sort of calculation on it.)

On page 35 of file:///C:/Users/ipmil/Downloads/WHS-Rules-of-Handicapping-1.pdf

Was going to ask the same!

 

[wjemather]

I don't think that is right. On Page 35 of CONGU's guide to WHS, they show an example of the calculation and the difference in CR is to 1 decimal place.

In the current version (v1.6) of the guidance, the relevant examples for Stableford are on page 40-41 for individual, and page 44 for 4BBB.
Results are easily verified with CONGUs mixed tee calculator.

 

[backwoodsman]

In the current version (v1.6) of the guidance, the relevant examples for Stableford are on page 40-41 for individual, and page 44 for 4BBB.
Results are easily verified with CONGUs mixed tee calculator.

Ta.

Certainly makes life easier in my example

 

[Mel Smooth]

We don't have any comps that are restriced by gender. Tell the commitee it's 2022 and time to move on.

 

[Colin L]

I find the title of this thread a tad puzzling. I suppose the OP might have meant to write Men and Women in a Competition or even better still, Mixed Tee Competitions.

 

[doublebogey7]

In the current version (v1.6) of the guidance, the relevant examples for Stableford are on page 40-41 for individual, and page 44 for 4BBB.
Results are easily verified with CONGUs mixed tee calculator.

My bad, relooking at it, seems I was reading the wrong page anyhow.

 

[IanM]

So, that renders the comp a bit of a mess. No adjustments were made!