Winter Rules

[Deleted member 16999]

Notice on boards around the clubhouse today that preferred lies will come into operation on our course on Monday 05th Oct.
I realise the groundsmen have schedule work, but is preferred lies premature, shouldn't that decision be weather dependant?
Our preferred lies will stay in place until the 1st saturday in April.
How does your club handle this?

 

[alexbrownmp]

Notice on boards around the clubhouse today that preferred lies will come into operation on our course on Monday 05th Oct.
I realise the groundsmen have schedule work, but is preferred lies premature, shouldn't that decision be weather dependant?
Our preferred lies will stay in place until the 1st saturday in April.
How does your club handle this?

yes it should, members need to speak out if they are compulsory

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Notice on boards around the clubhouse today that preferred lies will come into operation on our course on Monday 05th Oct.
I realise the groundsmen have schedule work, but is preferred lies premature, shouldn't that decision be weather dependant?
Our preferred lies will stay in place until the 1st saturday in April.
How does your club handle this?

Most clubs do it from Oct through to April

It doesn't take much for the ground to start being covered in worm casts and the temp will drop quickly

It's all done for the good of the course

 

[Old Skier]

Most clubs will do it when instructed that they can by county.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Most clubs do it from Oct through to April

It doesn't take much for the ground to start being covered in worm casts and the temp will drop quickly

It's all done for the good of the course

I get that Phil, but the climate differs, so sticking rigidly to dates possibly isn't the best way to protect the course.

 

[Old Skier]

I get that Phil, but the climate differs, so sticking rigidly to dates possibly isn't the best way to protect the course.

Which is why it's all change next year.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Which is why it's all change next year.

How is it changing?

 

[Robster59]

Our club will be going on to preferred lies from 1st October. I think it's through to 31st March.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Our club will be going on to preferred lies from 1st October. I think it's through to 31st March.

Place, mats, move off the fairway or like our place, Teeing up?

 

[Old Skier]

How is it changing?

http://www.englandgolf.org/shared/get-file.ashx?id=17427&itemtype=document

 

[Robster59]

Place, mats, move off the fairway or like our place, Teeing up?

Place mats or pick up and move to the rough.

 

[pbrown7582]

http://www.englandgolf.org/shared/get-file.ashx?id=17427&itemtype=document

So it's oct to May and not April?

 

[rosecott]

Most clubs will do it when instructed that they can by county.

They only need the county union's permission if it's outside the standard Oct-Apr period.

 

[chrisd]

Can anyone explain the effect of the new ESR changes please?

 

[Fish]

http://www.englandgolf.org/shared/get-file.ashx?id=17427&itemtype=document

Some interesting amendments within that document.

Can I just confirm a few things if I may..

Calendar year: Does this mean all clubs will operate a membership year from Jan 1st to Dec 31st, I know quite a few clubs around me operate theirs from April 1st to March 31st.

Preferred Lies: In line with this topic, preferred lies can be introduced at any time within the directive of 1st October to 30th April but should the club wish to bring them forward or operate them longer, they simple contact their County Union/Association for permission.

CSS: Cat. 4 players will affect the CSS from 2016.

Continuous Handicap Revue: A continuous run of 7 x 0.1's can trigger a possible review, in effect, a reverse ESR (ESI). I think is good if managed correctly, especially in regards to some seniors who have played a decent level but their game unfortunately is deteriorating quicker than the amount of shots they can increase through playing and as such can't play to anywhere near their handicap.

4BBB Handicap allowance:To be increased from 3/4's to 90%, so for example, a 20 handicapper will play off 18 not 15 as currently applied and a 6 handicapper would play off 5 and thus no change, so, this now protects the higher handicapped player from losing more shots than their buffer, I think this is a very fair and welcome change :smirk:

Supplementary Scores: A supplementary round can be played if declared for only 9 holes! I find this strange personally, how many times can we all at any level be many shots under handicap on the front 9 only then to give them all back on the back 9, but in this change I could be significantly cut, not sure I run with this one!

Exceptional Scoring Reductions (ESRs): I've never seen an ESR table so I can only assume that when activated it takes both exceptional scores into consideration and cuts at the highest value or joint value, whereas this amendment which will still be triggered with 2 x scores under buffer, will only take the 1st score into consideration for the cut ES1 + ES2 = ERS1, ES3 + ES4 = ESR2

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Most clubs do it from Oct through to April

It doesn't take much for the ground to start being covered in worm casts and the temp will drop quickly

It's all done for the good of the course

How is preferred lies for the good of the course? I can see that mats and moving to rough may be, but preferred lies where you can pick and place on the fairway is surely for the benefit of the golfer, not the course?

 

[AmandaJR]

How is preferred lies for the good of the course? I can see that mats and moving to rough may be, but preferred lies where you can pick and place on the fairway is surely for the benefit of the golfer, not the course?

I'd say a bit of both but in terms of the course it means moving from a divot rather than playing from it and making said divot much bigger?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I'd say a bit of both but in terms of the course it means moving from a divot rather than playing from it and making said divot much bigger?

But that doesn't happen very often and you get another divot?

 

[williamalex1]

Place mats or pick up and move to the rough.

Same here, i'm afraid. Starts in November.

 

[ruff-driver]

No w.r for fairways at our place ....ever