Why Golf is Great Part 1000000006
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madandra
Money List Winner
So here is the grey area Rob. Was CV "cheating" for not calling the penalty on himself?
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birdieman
Guest
It's great he took it well but it's far from great that the golf rules book is sooooooo long.
Us amateurs must be making rules infringements every time we play that we're not even aware of.
I think I'm fairly good on the rules having been playing a long time and having been a match and handicap secretary so having had to make referrals to the rules book and DQ players but there's no way you can remember every little rule and it's application.
How many of us when we see Jezz and Fergus in the mag doing their rules quiz get them all right? Not many I'd say.
Us amateurs must be making rules infringements every time we play that we're not even aware of.
I think I'm fairly good on the rules having been playing a long time and having been a match and handicap secretary so having had to make referrals to the rules book and DQ players but there's no way you can remember every little rule and it's application.
How many of us when we see Jezz and Fergus in the mag doing their rules quiz get them all right? Not many I'd say.
Robobum
Money List Winner
I don't think so, it's one of the obscure ones that not many would be 100% sure on. Only a guess though, the only one that knows for sure is CV.
The fact that there was an added bit in there where the penalty could be waived if it wasn't known the ball was going to come back towards the spot you cleared is a weird one too. Who the hell would know that one!!!!????
The fact that there was an added bit in there where the penalty could be waived if it wasn't known the ball was going to come back towards the spot you cleared is a weird one too. Who the hell would know that one!!!!????
Toby_LeRhone
Head Pro
Conversely, I dont think its obscure in any way. Its pretty obvious that you cannot move things that are in the way of your ball whilst it is in motion. In this case it is the perspective that's unusual, the ball coming towards you.
Somebody should have helped Villegas out here; caddie, fellow competitor, fellow competitors' caddie, rules official etc. Lots of people, any of whom could have helped him identify and subsequently do the right thing.
If it could be deemed as cheating for Villegas to not call the penalty on himself, it is just as releveant to call it 'cheating' for a fellow competitor to not draw his attention to it.
Somebody should have helped Villegas out here; caddie, fellow competitor, fellow competitors' caddie, rules official etc. Lots of people, any of whom could have helped him identify and subsequently do the right thing.
If it could be deemed as cheating for Villegas to not call the penalty on himself, it is just as releveant to call it 'cheating' for a fellow competitor to not draw his attention to it.
Robobum
Money List Winner
I never saw it and can't find the footage on Youtube as it's copyrighted.
The write up makes it sound as though it was a casual swish instead of a deliberate act of improving a lie/ line.
The original point was that the penalty was taken with good grace without any fuss.
The write up makes it sound as though it was a casual swish instead of a deliberate act of improving a lie/ line.
The original point was that the penalty was taken with good grace without any fuss.
Bacardibatman
Challenge Tour Pro
yes its a rule but its bloody harsh if you ask me...one hell of a birthday present for him too
CV infringement video & report for those who havent seen it
cant say id have taken it so calmly
mind you it meant CV's caddy Mick could step in for Poulters caddy Terry as he was ill
CV infringement video & report for those who havent seen it
cant say id have taken it so calmly
mind you it meant CV's caddy Mick could step in for Poulters caddy Terry as he was ill
Robobum
Money List Winner
Thanks for finding that. He flicks it back on the same line the ball is taking so it could have carried on and ended up against that bit of turf anyway.
Didn't look like a concious decision to break a rule there.
Didn't look like a concious decision to break a rule there.
Toby_LeRhone
Head Pro
Of course, moving an object and making your line worse is also against the same rule.
Basher
Tour Winner
Harsh!
Just wonder who the interfering rules geek was who contacted the tour to grass him up?
Just wonder who the interfering rules geek was who contacted the tour to grass him up?
Screwback
Tour Rookie
But the guy broke the rules so he should be DQd aye it may be harsh but what if he won the tourney after that? it would then be bloody ridiculous on the guy in second place.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
He still picks up $53,500 for being DQ'ed, not all bad then, pays for his holiday in Hawaii for the week! 
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
As someone else said, it just illustrates how hard it is to know all the rules.
The player, his caddie, his playing partners and caddies, the crowd, tournament officials, commentators and possibly a rules official in the tv booth, all missed it.
Good to see CV take it well, not like those overpaid 'sportsmen' that kick a ball round at the weekend.
The player, his caddie, his playing partners and caddies, the crowd, tournament officials, commentators and possibly a rules official in the tv booth, all missed it.
Good to see CV take it well, not like those overpaid 'sportsmen' that kick a ball round at the weekend.
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thecraw
Guest
And more importantly Camilio I see has switched to TM!
Marko77
Q-School Graduate
He still picks up $53,500 for being DQ'ed, not all bad then, pays for his holiday in Hawaii for the week!
Not bad (for CV). I'd of thought getting DQ'd would have meant he'd get nothing.
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Funny how the comentators never even mentioned it.However ive seen this happen on the putting green and nothing was said,its also a new one for me,so a lesson learned.
TheClaw
Q-School Graduate
I don't think he was aware that he was doing anything wrong...especially since there was a camera right behind him and the act of moving the divot out of the way was so obvious.
More not thinking/knowing than cheating I'd say.
More not thinking/knowing than cheating I'd say.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Not a huge fan of this D/Q by public vote. I think it's right what the price says that the top guys get all the coverage and some guy going out in the first few groups does the same thing, it's never seen and he picks up some money that ultimately is enough to keep his card at the end of the year.
I am totally for players playing within the rules and like Poulter and Davis calling a penalty on themselves. Johnson was negligent at the PGA as it had been posted all week that all those areas were classed as hazards. What I don't want to see is a tournament decided by a viewer calling in. My view is that there are enough rules officials (one per group) that if there is any doubt, radio it back to the media centre, watch it back and call the penalty before the player signs the card. What next, a viewer phoning in at the cricket saying a wicket was actually a no-ball. Do you then call the batsman back. It sets a difficult precedent
I am totally for players playing within the rules and like Poulter and Davis calling a penalty on themselves. Johnson was negligent at the PGA as it had been posted all week that all those areas were classed as hazards. What I don't want to see is a tournament decided by a viewer calling in. My view is that there are enough rules officials (one per group) that if there is any doubt, radio it back to the media centre, watch it back and call the penalty before the player signs the card. What next, a viewer phoning in at the cricket saying a wicket was actually a no-ball. Do you then call the batsman back. It sets a difficult precedent
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
I only listened to the cricket on the radio, but I got the impression they watched replays of dismissals and there was at least one reversed because of it being a no-ball.
Crow
Crow Person
It's his own fault for hitting such a poor chip. 
