WHS working well for me

harpo_72

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In the semi-final of the high handicap matchplay, I played the front nine of my course in 45 last week - I opened par/par/par/par. I am sure my opponent suspected the same; I've got 11 rounds in my handicap record at the moment off a mixture of our courses and tees and my best front or back nine is 50. I really do try my hardest every time I play, am nowhere near good enough to manipulate my score, and would be upset if anyone seriously thought otherwise. Are we incapable of seeing someone play well by their own standrds and say "well done"?
Completely capable of saying well done .. he did a good job of hiding his +4 capabilities 🤣
 

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Did not look at the handicap record until I actually played the guy. So judgement is based on other data. But I note your response and that is why I cannot be bothered to complain because your viewpoint is justified.. I don’t walk around calling people cheats, but this was a little extraordinary
But you are more than happy to do it anonymously on the Internet. :rolleyes:
 

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I would be interested in the age of the good scores you mention. If more than a year old then there could be a good reason behind it such as injury.

Having gone from 8.3 to 13.5 in one year is not possible, is that a typo?

There are two trigger points within the cap procedure:
(i) The soft cap. The soft cap is triggered when the difference between a player’s
newly calculated Handicap Index and their Low Handicap Index is greater than
3.0 strokes.
When a calculated Handicap Index increase is greater than 3.0 strokes, the
value above 3.0 strokes is restricted to 50% of the increase.
(ii) The hard cap. The hard cap triggers to restrict the amount by which a
player’s Handicap Index can increase, after application of the soft cap, to no
more than 5.0 strokes above their Low Handicap Index.
Its all within a year ..and he has managed 20+ rounds in that time to drop out the 2 low scores forcing the change
 

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But you are more than happy to do it anonymously on the Internet. :rolleyes:
In this instance, everything is anonymous. It is practically a hypothetical discussion as we do not know the person concerned, no names have been mentioned, nor the club.

You might not agree with the method but no one is harmed.
 

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Did not look at the handicap record until I actually played the guy. So judgement is based on other data. But I note your response and that is why I cannot be bothered to complain because your viewpoint is justified.. I don’t walk around calling people cheats, but this was a little extraordinary
What was his score at the end of the match, and what was yours?
 

harpo_72

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This is all about how the whs system can be manipulated.. and how someone looks like they may have done so and the reasoning as to why I think they have possibly manipulated
 

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He kept score, I record pluses and minuses.. I was 1 under my handicap after 17 holes he was 7 under his
So you played around or just under your handicap and he played a good bit better than his? And therefore he won.

I don't see anything particularly out of the ordinary re. a 15 handicapper being +8 thru 17 holes, would have been a very nice cut in CONGU old money if done in a counting comp and well within the standard deviation of scores that many 15 handicappers are capable of. My best gross score is +5 in competition and my best 9 holes is -1 gross and my lowest ever playing handicap is 11.

I get your point re. manipulation but it's generally not the way people manipulate their handicap regardless of system in my experience. In the old CONGU world you needed to hand in 3 cards to keep an active handicap. The handicap manipulators would play in their 3 comps (the minimum required), there would be no good scores amongst them and then off they would go into another season of scrambles, 4BBB's and match play comps. In the new WHS world you don't have to hand in any cards at all to maintain an active handicap and so these same guys will just not hand in any comp cards or GP play cards and just carry on as they did before entering scrambles, 4BBB's etc. So my conclusion is someone who is truly trying to maintain an artificially high handicap would get it high and then just never hand in any more cards. Handing in low scores then having to hand in loads of cards i.e. 20, to get rid of low scores would be much more difficult and a load of hassle, and therefore for me doesn't fit the profile of a handicap manipulator.
 

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He kept score, I record pluses and minuses.. I was 1 under my handicap after 17 holes he was 7 under his
You are almost describing me, by your posts above. I can get it around under or very close to par on good days but can also easy shot 20 over.

I was 6.6 when WHS came in, now 10.5 via soft cap. Just haven't put the scores together in a round.

My good scores have/are disappearing(ed) fast and I haven't been luckily enough to record any really low scores whilst during a card(done 30) this year, some down to the above and some due to playing at other courses(harder ones than home club, slope does not reflect fairly for me), which hasn't help handicap scoring this year. In fact looking at my scoring, I have played all my scoring rounds on trickier/harder courses and none at home club this year.

I suppose I am what I would describe as a wildly inconsistent handicapper player, WHS will keep going up and then I will hit a rich period of play and get slashed. The opposite of a guy I know, almost always shots 30+ stableford points, consistent handicap, sickens me with jealously he does:LOL:

Hows the guy done in other comps ?
 

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You are almost describing me, by your posts above. I can get it around under or very close to par on good days but can also easy shot 20 over.

I was 6.6 when WHS came in, now 10.5 via soft cap. Just haven't put the scores together in a round.

My good scores have/are disappearing(ed) fast and I haven't been luckily enough to record any really low scores whilst during a card(done 30) this year, some down to the above and some due to playing at other courses(harder ones than home club, slope does not reflect fairly for me), which hasn't help handicap scoring this year. In fact looking at my scoring, I have played all my scoring rounds on trickier/harder courses and none at home club this year.

I suppose I am what I would describe as a wildly inconsistent handicapper player, WHS will keep going up and then I will hit a rich period of play and get slashed. The opposite of a guy I know, almost always shots 30+ stableford points, consistent handicap, sickens me with jealously he does:LOL:

Hows the guy done in other comps ?
He has basically gone 5 bad 1 good but brutally honest they are mainly stableford scores .. 6-7 blobs and attacking the 2 s
 

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My hunch is WHS will suit those who play aggressively and regularly put scores in.
Guy where I play, let me say I have no question marks on at all - hits a long ball and goes for stuff.
20th score is from 1st Aug 2021, HI 11.0
14th Aug had the "red letter day", in a comp, differential of 1 (with a HIO also!), HI to 7.7
Few more rounds this month and it will be gone. Note several better scores are general play ones.
 

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Lost my best score out of my 20-score record today. It was a differential of 1.0.
So 9th best score of 4.5 kicked in to replace it. Today's differential is 5.2 and that is my new 9th best.
Something has happened to me that I predicted was a possible flaw in HI calculations, because differentials are rounded to one decimal place.
My new HI looks like being 3.0 tomorrow. The average of my new best 8 is 2.95 and this gets rounded to 3.0.
But if they rounded differentials to 2 decimal places, my new HI would be 2.94125 and this should be rounded to 2.9.
In order for everyone's HI to be accurate, differentials should be 2 decimal places not 1.

There will be a significant proportion of us at any given time whose Handicap Index is in error by one decimal place due to an accumulation of rounding tolerances.

My question to the forum:

I know my HI is wrong and why. Should I play to what I know is my correct handicap index or accept the WHS error as a false reality and live with it?
 

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Lost my best score out of my 20-score record today. It was a differential of 1.0.
So 9th best score of 4.5 kicked in to replace it. Today's differential is 5.2 and that is my new 9th best.
Something has happened to me that I predicted was a possible flaw in HI calculations, because differentials are rounded to one decimal place.
My new HI looks like being 3.0 tomorrow. The average of my new best 8 is 2.95 and this gets rounded to 3.0.
But if they rounded differentials to 2 decimal places, my new HI would be 2.94125 and this should be rounded to 2.9.
In order for everyone's HI to be accurate, differentials should be 2 decimal places not 1.

There will be a significant proportion of us at any given time whose Handicap Index is in error by one decimal place due to an accumulation of rounding tolerances.

My question to the forum:

I know my HI is wrong and why. Should I play to what I know is my correct handicap index or accept the WHS error as a false reality and live with it?
First world problems. Tell the press, they may run with that story, knock down climate change and lack of delivery drivers further down the list of headlines :)

Personally, I wouldn't stress about it.
 
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Lost my best score out of my 20-score record today. It was a differential of 1.0.
So 9th best score of 4.5 kicked in to replace it. Today's differential is 5.2 and that is my new 9th best.
Something has happened to me that I predicted was a possible flaw in HI calculations, because differentials are rounded to one decimal place.
My new HI looks like being 3.0 tomorrow. The average of my new best 8 is 2.95 and this gets rounded to 3.0.
But if they rounded differentials to 2 decimal places, my new HI would be 2.94125 and this should be rounded to 2.9.
In order for everyone's HI to be accurate, differentials should be 2 decimal places not 1.

There will be a significant proportion of us at any given time whose Handicap Index is in error by one decimal place due to an accumulation of rounding tolerances.

My question to the forum:

I know my HI is wrong and why. Should I play to what I know is my correct handicap index or accept the WHS error as a false reality and live with it?
You correct handicap index is what WHS calculates, it's not worked to 2 decimal places. Also you must be working it out wrong anyway, if you're 2.94125, then that's 2.9 not 3.
 
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