Who's Clubs are implementing 'Return of Away Scores?'

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Sure, we understand it's another imposition on Clubs & members & at present a rather 'blunt instrument' but in my opinion, a very valuable source of information. However from chatting with Cheffi0 yesterday & feedback coming from other local Clubs it appears many are not moving on it, for whatever reason, so it's easy to make the excuse of "What's the point 'cos others aren't doing it".
Please add to the list if your Club (& others you know are) Recording, informing Members & reminding them to Return Away Scores. Have taken the liberty of including those I'm already aware of- IMPLEMENTING IT !!
Wike Ridge, Leeds - Dave - 2Blue
Hevers GC, Kent - Duncan Mackie
Oakmere Park, Notts - Jim -Rosecote
Leighton Buzzard GC - LiverpoolPhil
Fairhaven GC, Lancs - Anne - Chellie
 
2blue said:
Sure, we understand it's another imposition on Clubs & members & at present a rather 'blunt instrument' but in my opinion, a very valuable source of information. However from chatting with Cheffi0 yesterday & feedback coming from other local Clubs it appears many are not moving on it, for whatever reason, so it's easy to make the excuse of "What's the point 'cos others aren't doing it".
Please add to the list if your Club (& others you know are) Recording, informing Members & reminding them to Return Away Scores. Have taken the liberty of including those I'm already aware of- IMPLEMENTING IT !!
Wike Ridge, Leeds - Dave - 2Blue
Hevers GC, Kent - Duncan Mackie
Oakmere Park, Notts - Jim -Rosecote
Leighton Buzzard GC - LiverpoolPhil
Fairhaven GC, Lancs - Anne - Chellie
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Dave its prob best to qualify which away scores you are talking about remembering that all single qualifying scores automatically get sent back

Im guessing you mean the "Non Qualifying Scores"

And also right now whilst i have informed the members of what they need to do and a good number have already submitted them - there is prob a good number that are refusing to do so

The ladies have an away day next week on a local course - will be interesting to see if those scores are submitted
 
2blue said:
Sure, we understand it's another imposition on Clubs & members & at present a rather 'blunt instrument' but in my opinion, a very valuable source of information. However from chatting with Cheffi0 yesterday & feedback coming from other local Clubs it appears many are not moving on it, for whatever reason, so it's easy to make the excuse of "What's the point 'cos others aren't doing it".
Please add to the list if your Club (& others you know are) Recording, informing Members & reminding them to Return Away Scores. Have taken the liberty of including those I'm already aware of- IMPLEMENTING IT !!
Wike Ridge, Leeds - Dave - 2Blue
Hevers GC, Kent - Duncan Mackie
Oakmere Park, Notts - Jim -Rosecote
Leighton Buzzard GC - LiverpoolPhil
Fairhaven GC, Lancs - Anne - Chellie
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We (Dorset Golf & Country Club) have implemented the return of Non-Qualifying away scores - some are being noted on the sheet we use but not that many.
 
My place (Brett Vale in Suffolk) have a log book in which players record their scores from a variety of non-qualifying formats held at away courses.

Surprisingly it seems that there are a number of players who are actually filling it in.

Club society day out at Stowmarket on Friday.....that will be another 30 odd entries!!!!
 
Apologies, as I'm sure it has been answered already on previous pages.....do you have to return cards from say a 4 man team or 4bbb open competitions ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Dave its prob best to qualify which away scores you are talking about remembering that all single qualifying scores automatically get sent back

Im guessing you mean the "Non Qualifying Scores"

And also right now whilst i have informed the members of what they need to do and a good number have already submitted them - there is prob a good number that are refusing to do so

The ladies have an away day next week on a local course - will be interesting to see if those scores are submitted
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Oh... yes I missed the NQ bit out, thanks for high-lighting that Phil...... but yes it's the new initiative that Im referring to as we also have members who are ignoring the need & in some cases telling down-right lies about not playing any, rather than declare their scores. Maybe just golfers getting on their 'high horses', being damned awkward, or possibly even decietful.
They seem to think it's 'personal information' not to be shared.
Would be interesting to know how H/cap Secs & their Clubs are addressing this.
We've had to give a 7-day ultimatum to some members & have now received some 20 sets of NQ Away scores for each of them for this season. 😳😳
So it's a big "Thankyou EG" for this initiative as ' tough & ready' as it maybe.
 
I know we are doing it and I know other clubs are doing because we are accumulating the cards ready for the annual review.
 
The problem is that the onus is on the players not the clubs.
As England Golf hasn't got any access to individual members, it depends on club secretaries to inform their own members. As you can imagine, very hit and miss (mainly). Because of this, EG has been unable to take any action against offenders as they all plead ignorance.
A straw poll of club members in my county shows that very few individual members know anything about it.
A new h'cap sec at a high profile club in my area admitted that neither his predecessor nor the club manager had told the members.
EG have said it is a major concern but when the CDH came out clubs voted against it being used by EG to send notifications to individual members. The clubs maintained that it was their job to keep their members up to date with handicapping and rules. !!!!!
 
jim8flog said:
I know we are doing it and I know other clubs are doing because we are accumulating the cards ready for the annual review.
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Jim... could you please add your name to the list of Clubs attempting to implement it?

Wike Ridge, Leeds - Dave - 2Blue
Hevers GC, Kent - Duncan Mackie
Oakmere Park, Notts - Jim -Rosecote
Leighton Buzzard GC - LiverpoolPhil
Ellesmere GC - Cheshire - Louise
Fairhaven GC, Lancs - Anne - Chellie
Dorset Golf & Country Club - MikeJohnChapman
 
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I seem to be the only person at my club doing it. Seven of us played in another club's open event although it was a non-qualifier. The other six didn't bother to report their scores in spite of being given documentation by the club with their cards that they needed to it.
 
Pathetic Shark said:
I seem to be the only person at my club doing it. Seven of us played in another club's open event although it was a non-qualifier. The other six didn't bother to report their scores in spite of being given documentation by the club with their cards that they needed to it.
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So do you know if your Club, H/cap Team, will press them to do so? I think many Clubs are adopting a very softly, softly approach which is allowing members the opportunity to simply ignore the requirement.
However it would appear that there is also a requirement on Clubs to advise their Union, of players they know who are not returning their scores with the possibility of 'h/cap suspension' being applied.
I guess that means a Clubs 'Affiliation' could be also suspended if they don't. All abit further down the line no doubt & rather messy but I can't see this requirement disappearing as it's very much needed to expose h/cap cheats or do people feel that this is not a problem?
What Club are you st Sharky?
 
Unfortunately honesty and integrity are not words that go hand-in-hand with our current committee.
 
2blue said:
Jim... could you please add your name to the list of Clubs attempting to implement it?

Wike Ridge, Leeds - Dave - 2Blue
Hevers GC, Kent - Duncan Mackie
Oakmere Park, Notts - Jim -Rosecote
Leighton Buzzard GC - LiverpoolPhil
Ellesmere GC - Cheshire - Louise
Fairhaven GC, Lancs - Anne - Chellie
Dorset Golf & Country Club - MikeJohnChapman
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Yeovil

I am not personally responsible but that is the info I get from our Asst. Sec. who handles such things. We did notify members via our information noticeboard.

On a similar note there was quite a lot of resistance form 'swindle' organisers in supplying info, along the lines of "we will only do it if all swindles are made to do it"
 
I have to say that reading this thread makes me quite worried about the new handicap system due in the next couple of years.

If we are strugging with this relatively simple process how are we going to cope with a situation where all strokeplay scores have to be logged? Swindles, roll-up, bounce games all recorded - that it going to be a huge change if this thread is anything to go by.
 
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