Who the winner

[pablo31023]

Who's the winner

I recently played in a Stapleford Comp scoring 43 points off 19 handicap another player scored 43 points off 17 handicap
back 9 countback scores were identical so were back 6 and so were back 3. How do you work out who wins?
Thanks Pablo

 

[KenL]

Re: Who's the winner

Last hole?

 

[pablo31023]

Re: Who's the winner

Points scored on each hole on the back nine were identical on both cards. Who wins

 

[Colin L]

Re: Who's the winner

I recently played in a Stapleford Comp scoring 43 points off 19 handicap another player scored 43 points off 17 handicap
back 9 countback scores were identical so were back 6 and so were back 3. How do you work out who wins?
Thanks Pablo

When you say the scores on the back 9, 6 and 3 were identical, do you mean the net scores? It’s easier just to count up and compare the points as they reflect the net scores.

The answer to your question should ideally be in the conditions of your competition. The last 9, 6 and 3 is a standard method, but as you have found is not necessarily enough. It might then go to the last 12 then the last 15. Importantly, in my view, the method should finish with a statement along the lines of “ and finally at the discretion of the Committee” so that should counting back still result in a tie, the Committee can decide what to do - spin a coin, share the prizes, whatever.

 

[pablo31023]

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No Colin I mean points scored were identical. we have never had to drill this deep into the cards to determine a winner usually sorted by back 9 countback. i have been lead to believe that the other player wins as he has lower handicap and has taken less strokes to score the same number of points but not certain if this correct

 

[Old Skier]

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No Colin I mean points scored were identical. we have never had to drill this deep into the cards to determine a winner usually sorted by back 9 countback. i have been lead to believe that the other player wins as he has lower handicap and has taken less strokes to score the same number of points but not certain if this correct

Should all be covered in "terms of the comp" the less strokes has nothing to do with it.

 

[Colin L]

Re: Who's the winner

No Colin I mean points scored were identical. we have never had to drill this deep into the cards to determine a winner usually sorted by back 9 countback. i have been lead to believe that the other player wins as he has lower handicap and has taken less strokes to score the same number of points but not certain if this correct

My point, reinforced by Old Skier, is that your answer should be in the conditions laid down for your competition by the organising committee. There isn’t a general rule about count backs that we can give you. Recommendations yes, but not a rule. If nothing is said in your conditions of competition, then there is no answer to your question and my suggestion would be that in fairness, you declare joint winners and share the prizes.

 

[delc]

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Related question. For the Winter period our club has reversed the front and back nines, so you now start at the 10th and finish at the 9th. This is to avoid playing right into the low morning sun on some of the front nine holes. The question is: do you still use holes 10-18 for tie breaks, or the last nine played, i.e. 1-9?

 

[rosecott]

Re: Who's the winner

Related question. For the Winter period our club has reversed the front and back nines, so you now start at the 10th and finish at the 9th. This is to avoid playing right into the low morning sun on some of the front nine holes. The question is: do you still use holes 10-18 for tie breaks, or the last nine played, i.e. 1-9?

If you have a 2-point start or a multi-point start, you would still use the back 9 on the card for countback. It's just equivalent to tossing a coin but laid down before you play.

 

[delc]

Re: Who's the winner

If you have a 2-point start or a multi-point start, you would still use the back 9 on the card for countback. It's just equivalent to tossing a coin but laid down before you play.

It's a one point start at the 10th hole.

 

[rosecott]

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It's a one point start at the 10th hole.

The point I was making is that the back 9 on the card should be used whatever - it's an accepted artificial means of resolving tied scores.

 

[rulefan]

Re: Who's the winner

Related question. For the Winter period our club has reversed the front and back nines, so you now start at the 10th and finish at the 9th. This is to avoid playing right into the low morning sun on some of the front nine holes. The question is: do you still use holes 10-18 for tie breaks, or the last nine played, i.e. 1-9?

The R&A suggest:

The method of matching cards should be announced in advance and should also provide what will happen if this procedure does not produce a winner. An acceptable method of matching cards is to determine the winner on the basis of the best score for the last nine holes. If the tying players have the same score for the last nine, determine the winner on the basis of the last six holes, last three holes and finally the 18th hole. If this method is used in a competition with a multiple tee start, it is recommended that the "last nine holes, last six holes, etc." is considered to be holes 10-18, 13-18, etc.

In competitions where the handicap stroke table is relevant, such as four-ball stroke play and bogey, par and Stableford competitions, handicap strokes should be taken as they were assigned for the competition, using the players' respective stroke allocation table(s

 

[Fyldewhite]

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Not been involved in committee for a couple of years now so may have changed but I'm pretty sure the competition software would apply back 9-6-3-1 then front 9-6-3-1. We never had a tie but we play mostly medals which make it less likely due to the fractions of handicap involved. Definitely had one that went to the "front 6" once. If they were identical then as already mentioned, it would be down to whatever the committee had decreed.....simple answer is that it varies between clubs so you'd have to ask the committee.