turkish
Journeyman Pro
On side of the green so would normally be putting this but because im off green i am gathering i get no relief and have to chip over?
Whats the options here?
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guest100718
Guest
or move the little fence?
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Looks like they're getting ready to plant some sweet peas or pansies!
Agree about moving it though but would like to think the noticeboard made mention of this before heading out in case the want you to treat it as GUR
Agree about moving it though but would like to think the noticeboard made mention of this before heading out in case the want you to treat it as GUR
turkish
Journeyman Pro
Didn't even think about moving the fence thanks. was only a knock myself so just dropped a few feet to the left
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guest100718
Guest
unless it was actually hindering your stance or line of swing etc then there is no free relief.
LincolnShep
Head Pro
You don't get relief but you can remove the fence in the same way that you might move a red or yellow (but not white!) stake. Don't forget to replace it afterwards though.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
No sure what this means - I'm sure it is an area of GUR, but there wouldn't be any more relief options in this instance as its a line of play off the green issue.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Apologies I wasn't really referring to relief options but I guess i didn't make that clear, sorry
You might be sure its an area of GUR but without something else to identify it as such, like a sign-post or spray writing or a notice on the noticeboard, I cant really assume its GUR, so if my ball landed in there instead of short I'd like to think the club had provided some direction on how to proceed
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Agreed.
However, the approved practice of white lines or coloured stakes can often get combined into the use of white wire hoops like these as a general GUR marking by green staff ie they are seen as a suitable moveable while line - all without further clarification anywhere.
Committees should do better, but the player would be entitled to treat such an area as GUR even in the absence of any further clarification.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
rulefan
Tour Winner
This is a very common way of indicating GUR although it should also indicate whether relief is optional or compulsory. If the ground is newly sown or otherwise vulnerable, I would take normal relief outside the area if it is optional, unless it puts me at a serious disadvantage.
The hoops are movable obstructions unless there is a local rule saying they are immovable (unlikely).
Incidentally, you can putt through GUR on the green if you wish, unless the area is designated 'play prohibited' and your ball is in the GUR.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Didn't know that part... Every day's a school day
The battle between green staff practice (using whatever they have lying around) and committees, trying to ensure clarity and compliance (with either rules or recommended practice - section 4 of the R&A running a competition guidlines) is an on going one in many places.
Don't think it helps overall that white lines are still referenced to GUR, with non white stakes recommended to avoid confusion with OOB, when increasingly both blue lines and blue stakes are adopted for GUR in practice.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Subsidiary question ...
OP could move the wire hoops because they are obstructions and (as I'm sure we all know, because we'll have done it at some time) they are easily moved. Could the committee declare them to be immovable obstructions? Reason in my mind would be because some players are not as fastidious at putting them back as they are at taking them out.
Second subsidiary question. A committee can make a local rule prohibiting play from GUR. Can they make one prohibiting one through GUR ?
OP could move the wire hoops because they are obstructions and (as I'm sure we all know, because we'll have done it at some time) they are easily moved. Could the committee declare them to be immovable obstructions? Reason in my mind would be because some players are not as fastidious at putting them back as they are at taking them out.
Second subsidiary question. A committee can make a local rule prohibiting play from GUR. Can they make one prohibiting one through GUR ?
Colin L
Tour Winner
Yes.
From the Definition of Obstructions:
Note: The Committee may make a Local Rule declaring a movable obstruction to be an immovable obstruction.
No. There is no rule that allows you to determine the direction in which a player must or must not play.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Ta on both points.
TBH, despite my second question, l don't really have a good reason why l thought prohibiting play through GUR might have any merit.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Query that reply--- I would consider them as movable obstructions and not immovable obstructions.
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guest100718
Guest
As. my 1st post. I'd have moved it too.
Robster59
Tour Rookie
We talked about this today. For clarification they are GUR and will be further marked by a white line around them. You can move the posts to play past them but not from the area.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Do you mean that if you take GUR relief you cannot move the posts (ie they are immovable obstructions) but if you don't need to take relief (ie your ball is outside the GUR) then they are movable obstructions?
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The posts are movable obstructions and play is simply prohibited from the GUR area.
as others have said move them. and if you are anything like my mate, chuck the things as far away as possible
