Whats the difference?

[Imurg]

You can cheat without being a bandit. However, if you are a bandit then you are also a cheat. You can kick the ball out of the rough and onto the fairway - cheating - but your handicap may be correct. But if you're deliberately falsifying your handicap that's cheating too. There's also real banditry and "banter" banditry.
If your handicap is correct but you've just played a blinder then you'll get called a bandit but they won't really mean it. But if you should be playing off 10 but you falsely keep to 18 then that's proper banditry.




I think......

 

[bobmac]

All the snow has gone, now pouring rain so here's another daft question.

What's the difference between a bandit and a cheat?
And why don't you mind being called a bandit but would hate to be called a cheat?
Sorry, 2 questions.
For years I thought a cheat invented the word bandit as it sounds nicer.

 

[freddielong]

Yes I would agree a bandit is someone with a legitimate handicap who occasionally destroys it but more often or not blows up, a cheat is a lowlife who purposely breaks the rules to help their scores.

 

[TRS30]

Yes I would agree a bandit is someone with a legitimate handicap who occasionally destroys it but more often or not blows up, a cheat is a lowlife who purposely breaks the rules to help their scores.

Couldn't have put it better if I tried.

 

[bobmac]

So a bandit isn't someone who keeps their h/cap falsely high in order to win that big comp coming up?

 

[haplesshacker]

I'd call them a cheat. If that is the case.

A bandit is a tongue in cheek term for those that score 40 points in the stableford. If however they were protecting their h'cap, they would then become a cheat.

Cheats like to defend their title of bandit, as if it was just luck.

Cheats also deiberately ignore the rules.

I'm looking forward to the day when I get called a bandit in a tongue in cheek way! I know that it's coming soon. I hope! But my h'cap will get slashed if it comes to it.

That's how I see it.

 

[TRS30]

So a bandit isn't someone who keeps their h/cap falsely high in order to win that big comp coming up?

This is a cheat imo. There probably isn't a specific rule to cover it but I think you should have to play every shot to the best of your ability hence making it impossible to keep your h/cap falsely high.

 

[madandra]

So a bandit isn't someone who keeps their h/cap falsely high in order to win that big comp coming up?

Nah Bob, thats simply just a cheat.

I am guilty of smacking it round in 6 under my handicap but its once a year if I am lucky. I have never NR'd whilst on **.4 handicap to get the extra .1 to take me up.


My Holy Grail is single figures and not prizes.

 

[freddielong]

So a bandit isn't someone who keeps their h/cap falsely high in order to win that big comp coming up?

No in my book that would be a cheat

 

[Mike_j_golf]

Hi,
The whole bandit thing should be a thing of the past, its a problem with the handicap system i think all players should have to play at least 6 comps a year not the 3 to keep there handicap, Any 4ball team comps and opens should be returned to your home club either thru the club hosting the event or thru the gui handicapping system a lot of bandits are out there winning 4ball and team events and never getting cut you should also have to play in 3 comps in your own club to be able enter the Majors, I know it happened in our own club guys playing every weekend not playing in the comps cleaning up in the 4ball and match plays, the system makes it very hard to catch up with these guys but a good handicap sectary should be able to spot them, In the end of the day its not really cheating but it is against the spirit of the sport which is just as bad if not worse.
Mike

 

[Parmo]

Bandit = Someone who protects a handicap when really should be playing off a lower figure.

Cheat = Someone who actually abuses the rules.

 

[Parmo]

good handicap sectary should be able to spot them, In the end of the day its not really cheating but it is against the spirit of the sport which is just as bad if not worse.
Mike

Doesn't Rule 19 cover this?

 

[haplesshacker]

Bandit = Someone who protects a handicap when really should be playing off a lower figure.

Cheat = Someone who actually abuses the rules.

In which case I don't ever want to regarded as a bandit.

 

[bobmac]

Bandit = Someone who protects a handicap when really should be playing off a lower figure.

Isn't that cheating?
They may not be breaking the rules of golf, but possibly the rules of CONGU?

 

[Parmo]

Bandit = Someone who protects a handicap when really should be playing off a lower figure.

Isn't that cheating?
They may not be breaking the rules of golf, but possibly the rules of CONGU?

How can you prove some has "duffed" a couple of shots the last hole which takes them into the buffer zone, then in a match comp they play "out of their skins" for a change. I think rule 19 means the comp/hcp sec can cut people where they see fit.

 

[clubchamp07]

good handicap sectary should be able to spot them, In the end of the day its not really cheating but it is against the spirit of the sport which is just as bad if not worse.
Mike

Doesn't Rule 19 cover this?

Yes Thats what I thought rule 19 was for. I also hear that you can get cut over 12 holes even if you blob the rest.

I dont know about the good M&H guy spotting these people as he has enough to do!

 

[clubchamp07]

[/quote How can you prove some has "duffed" a couple of shots the last hole which takes them into the buffer zone, then in a match comp they play "out of their skins" for a change. I think rule 19 means the comp/hcp sec can cut people where they see fit.

[/QUOTE]

Thats called general play, which is very had to do, or so I've been told. Our winter league is mostly won by the high handicappers, some guys and not only in my club playing off 20+ and getting 16 shots over 12 holes, what chance has anyone else got?

 

[JJF69]

What I never understand is why some sports openly accept cheating such as Football or Rugby but its universally reviled in sports such as SNooker or Golf.

Sport is Sport regardless of the game you play - but success seems to be measured and viewed very differently, I just don't get it.

 

[bobmac]

good handicap sectary should be able to spot them, In the end of the day its not really cheating but it is against the spirit of the sport which is just as bad if not worse.
Mike

Doesn't Rule 19 cover this?

Yes Thats what I thought rule 19 was for. I also hear that you can get cut over 12 holes even if you blob the rest.

I dont know about the good M&H guy spotting these people as he has enough to do!

I always thought that.

Rule 19 actually covers "Ball in motion deflected or stopped"

It's now clause 23.7 B

"GENERAL PLAY ADJUSTMENT

23.7 In exceptional circumstances the Handicap Committee may adjust the handicap of a player in the period between Annual Reviews if there is compelling evidence that his Exact Handicap does not reflect his current playing ability."

 

[JustOne]

I feel like a bandit because when I put in 3 cards the club secretary gave me a h/cap 3 shots higher than I played to (although if you've seen me hit a ball you'd think he should have given me 30!). I questioned it and he said it was the lowest h/cap he could give me without referring it to the County Golf Union

To be honest I'm just going to play and see what happens, it's not exactly the end of my universe, I couldn't care if I play off 28 or 0.8, in bounce games I'll take whatever makes you happy.

To me the only time a h/cap is of any real significance is if you NEED it, eg: to enter a scratch competition.