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Played in round one of one of our Majors today, round two tomorrow. We were a fourball, one of whom I play with fairly regularly in club B team matches, another who I know but have rarely played with and a junior I had never previously met. Swapping cards on the first tee I exchanged with the guy from the B team leaving the junior to swap with the remaining player.

On the 7th, SI 1 par four into a stiffening wind, the junior and I were both faced with a 10 ft or so putt for bogey. The junior played first and rolled it a foot past, walked up and asked if he could finish it off, naturally all agreed. He straddled my line and missed the putt (much laughter at the name he called himself) for a 7.

On the next tee box, a par 3, we were waiting for the green to clear and I heard him tell his marker he had "same six". We tee'd off and as we walked away from the tee box I asked was he sure about his score and asked him to recount his strokes, he said six, so I reminded him of the duffed chip and he said "oh yeah, I'll correct it".

On the 9th tee, he and his marker were checking front 9 totals and I asked if he'd remembered to amend his score for the 7th, he replied "yes" and I walked to the tee box. Having a drink in the bar after the marker mentioned something about it (I can't remember what brought it up), I related the above to which the marker said "when I asked him (the junior) about it he told me he hadn't been sure if he had a 5 or a 6 on the 7th, but it was a 6".

I think he was 3 over nett, so probably (possibly?) Won't threaten the leaders.

I'm thinking a quiet word to give him the chance to report the error himself?
 
It is a bit surprising that he didn't correct the score after being pulled up on it but to blatantly lie a bit later doesn't say a lot about his honesty. Tough call for you now but he must learn that cheats do not prosper.
 
You've already given him the chance to change it to the 7, he hasn't done it, so, inform the comp committee and they can check it out.
 
When I had a problem like this I would take the junior aside and give them a chance to 'do the right thing'.

At the same time I would warn them that if he/she were caught cheating the stigma of being known as a cheat would stay with them for the rest of their time at the club and sometimes beyond.
It is not a good thing for 500 members to know you are a cheat.

OP..the marker in your incident did not exactly behave as a good member should.
I think you have given the player a good chance to amend his score so you must report him to the club.
 
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Well I think you have given the kid the benefit of the doubt (even if there was little doubt) and more than a fair chance to rectify any misunderstanding or error. Now it is pretty clear it is an intentional cheat. He can't be allowed to think that it is OK.

If there is a junior convener, I would tell him, or someone else in a similar position at the club. Probably wouldn't tackle him directly myself as that looks too personal and lacks the necessary authority.
 
When I had a problem like this I would take the junior aside and give them a chance to 'do the right thing'.

At the same time I would warn them that if he/she were caught cheating the stigma of being known as a cheat would stay with them for the rest of their time at the club and sometimes beyond.
It is not a good thing for 500 members to know you are a cheat.

OP..the marker in your incident did not exactly behave as a good member should.
I think you have given the player a good chance to amend his score so you must report him to the club.

This is no excuse, but why did the member marking him not amend his score on the card?
That's the score that the comp sec is looking at, not what Junior has written down as his own score.
 
You have to report him as he hasn't done the right thing and changed it and so has now signed for a wrong score and has to be DQ'd. I would also have a word with the marker and find out why he didn't amend the card there and then when everyone agreed what he'd scored on the hole which would have sorted the problem at the time
 
Well I think you have given the kid the benefit of the doubt (even if there was little doubt) and more than a fair chance to rectify any misunderstanding or error. Now it is pretty clear it is an intentional cheat. He can't be allowed to think that it is OK.

If there is a junior convener, I would tell him, or someone else in a similar position at the club. Probably wouldn't tackle him directly myself as that looks too personal and lacks the necessary authority.

This is the route I decided to take, partly because the lad was out in the first group (which I didn't know yesterday) this morning a long time before me, so I didn't get chance to speak to him anyway, and partly because I still want to give him another chance to do the right thing.

This is no excuse, but why did the member marking him not amend his score on the card?
That's the score that the comp sec is looking at, not what Junior has written down as his own score.

It only became apparent to the marker in the bar afterwards when the incident came up in conversation - he queried with the lad on the 9th tee as to what I was referring to. Not good, but I guess we all have played with a marker at some time who will ask "how many were you there?"

You have to report him as he hasn't done the right thing and changed it and so has now signed for a wrong score and has to be DQ'd. I would also have a word with the marker and find out why he didn't amend the card there and then when everyone agreed what he'd scored on the hole which would have sorted the problem at the time

See above.
 
In my time as junior convenor I had a couple of incidents with the mathematically challenged. It was fairly easy to put right once you explained that the game is built on truth, integrity and respect for the other players in the field. Never had to speak to anyone about it twice :)

Now if they could only add up their cards correctly, life would have been a lot more simple
 
That's not their task though!

Legibility was the major issue I found!

Granted, but on the first pass of the cards when checking the comp result, it meant a lot of extra checking to make sure everything was correct.

Legibility ..... nightmare.... even worse in the wet ;)
 
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