What the............

[Imurg]

So the local rag has a story this week.
There's an Open prison a few miles out of town. A prisoner has failed to return, happens from time to time I guess.
Except this one was put inside in '03 for violent robbery and kidnapping.
Police have stated that this escapee is considered to be a danger to the community and shouldn't be approached.

What I don't get is that if this guy is dangerous to the community what the hell is he doing in an Open prison..?

I have no problem with the Open system but surely those housed there need to be the least dangerous, the ones inside for fraud or other non-violent crimes....

Or am I missing something?

 

[SocketRocket]

So the local rag has a story this week.
There's an Open prison a few miles out of town. A prisoner has failed to return, happens from time to time I guess.
Except this one was put inside in '03 for violent robbery and kidnapping.
Police have stated that this escapee is considered to be a danger to the community and shouldn't be approached.

What I don't get is that if this guy is dangerous to the community what the hell is he doing in an Open prison..?

I have no problem with the Open system but surely those housed there need to be the least dangerous, the ones inside for fraud or other non-violent crimes....

Or am I missing something?

Yoghurt Knitting!

 

[upsidedown]

Beggars belief !!

 

[palindromicbob]

expect more of it.

 

[Fish]

If he was sent away in 2003 he has served 12 years of whatever sentence he received in at least a B category prison initially slowly being downgraded to C and then eventually a D-cat (open). The system is designed to prepare the offenders for release so the duties and work they do in an open prison can be in the open grounds, local farms etc, weekend day passes are achieved after a certain period being in the open prison, normally after 12 weeks, and are increased as time goes by until they are released.

The problem with the "system" is there is no way to really assess the individual whilst in the higher security prisons because unless they are troublesome they simply jump through the loops when asked, do their work assignments and keep their heads down, they can't or don't have the opportunity to escape or mix outside of the prison/s so getting downgraded, especially after 10 years or more is quite an easy process, you'll never really see if they can adapt or cope with a more freedom open prison until they are sent to it!

The key question here is, how long was he at the open prison before not returning, was this his first experience of the more relaxed surroundings and simply couldn't cope with it because he's become slightly institutionalised after 12yrs lock-up surrounded by similar serious criminals, if so its hard to spot the signs until he's gone missing and its hard to spot the signs leading up to his D-cat status because he's never been tested before with any amount of freedom. He would have been assessed as safe to be downgraded over a period of time but as I've stated, its easy to jump through the loops and deceive those boards if your cunning enough by just being a yes-man.

Open prisons will have murderers, sex offenders and all manner of serious criminals in them as they come to the end of their sentences pending release, its designed to help them adjust and educate them with work skills and get them ready to rejoin society after lengthy sentences, its not just for non-violent (fraud, driving etc) offenders.

 

[c1973]

If he was sent away in 2003 he has served 12 years of whatever sentence he received in at least a B category prison initially slowly being downgraded to C and then eventually a D-cat (open). The system is designed to prepare the offenders for release so the duties and work they do in an open prison can be in the open grounds, local farms etc, weekend day passes are achieved after a certain period being in the open prison, normally after 12 weeks, and are increased as time goes by until they are released.

The problem with the "system" is there is no way to really assess the individual whilst in the higher security prisons because unless they are troublesome they simply jump through the loops when asked, do their work assignments and keep their heads down, they can't or don't have the opportunity to escape or mix outside of the prison/s so getting downgraded, especially after 10 years or more is quite an easy process, you'll never really see if they can adapt or cope with a more freedom open prison until they are sent to it!

The key question here is, how long was he at the open prison before not returning, was this his first experience of the more relaxed surroundings and simply couldn't cope with it because he's become slightly institutionalised after 12yrs lock-up surrounded by similar serious criminals, if so its hard to spot the signs until he's gone missing and its hard to spot the signs leading up to his D-cat status because he's never been tested before with any amount of freedom. He would have been assessed as safe to be downgraded over a period of time but as I've stated, its easy to jump through the loops and deceive those boards if your cunning enough by just being a yes-man.

Open prisons will have murderers, sex offenders and all manner of serious criminals in them as they come to the end of their sentences pending release, its designed to help them adjust and educate them with work skills and get them ready to rejoin society after lengthy sentences, its not just for non-violent (fraud, driving etc) offenders.

Very good post.


Nothing is failsafe and if we want prisoners to make a positive change to society then some period of gradual readjustment will be needed. Not a great advert for the system, but I'd imagine it is successful for many.

 

[Tashyboy]

Very good post.


Nothing is failsafe and if we want prisoners to make a positive change to society then some period of gradual readjustment will be needed. Not a great advert for the system, but I'd imagine it is successful for many.

Mmmmm am not to sure, having spoken to me lad who worked at a local prison. Yes the system is set up to reabilitate, but some have openly said " they don't want to" and whilst they can still have access to all modern comforts including sex. It's no loss when they get down again.

in Mansfield there is a secure institute on an industrial estate, only its not that secure. A couple of years ago a " patient" escaped and what he did to a young lad in the woods before he was recaptured is not fit to be written on here. It has left a family who lived next door to my sister devastated.