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Well i have submitted three cards and recieved my offical handicap... 20! This is too low, i worked out my handicap and it should be 24. Why have i been given a handicap that doesnt reflect the score cards i submitted? I thought the point of a handicap in golf was to equal things out. with this handicap i am disadvantaged and will really struggle to win a match.

Also why do you have to play off a max of 18 in comps?

I played in my first comp today and only managed 17 points due to a) the rain and b) having to play off 18!

rant over :D
 

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Mickey, I feel your pain.

I've played 2 stablefords recently and had to play off 18 when my handicap is similar to yours.

The difference between an 18 and 24 handicapper is quite big. This obviously gives a player off 18 or thereabouts a huge advantage over someone higher.

Unfair I say!
 

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Hi Mickey.....bad luck.

Nobody is getting a fair h'cap these days to start off....h'cap secretaries are following the new congu guidelines to the letter and then all saying "it'll soon move if it's wrong". Your figure will have been worked out from the best of the three cards (not the average) taking away any big scores. We are all in the same boat.

I say it's time to rebel......I'm completely fed up with what happened to me......I got given 11.5 (when 13-14 was nearer the mark) have played in 20+ competitions (at £3 a go.....straight to some bandit junior) and moved up 0.1 TOTAL in nearly a year.

As for the max 18 rule.....it's a disgrace......any clubs invoking this strategy should hang their heads in shame.....what's the point in a h'cap system if you are cutting off at 18. Any comp other than certain "club major events" should be up to 28.
 

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Don't know any reason why your club should invoke a handicap limit of 18 unless it is for a particular one off or gold board event. All our medal and stablefords are off full handicap and split into different handicap divisions.

I think we play one 4 ball better ball event each year (honours board event) whereby the maximum handicap is 18 and there maybe one foursomes event which is the same. Apart fromthat it is full allowances all the way.

Was the competition a monthly stableford or a one off event for a particular cup
 

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full allowance must be given otherwise what's the point????

Well said. Before I became old (ish) and joined a private club, I played at a muni. I can honestly say that 1) I would have just given up ever trying and 2) we'd have had no entries for weekend comps (other than than odd decent player). It would have destroyed the whole enthusiasm of the club (which was better than any private club I've EVER been in). The atmosphere/fun/friendly/competitive enviroment would simply have not existed. If a private club wants to destroy any sense of fairness to beginners and/or less good players.....I'd say they need to take a long look in the mirror. Maybe they are so far up their own backsides and are so well-off they can ignore the system that makes golf a truly unique sport.

I speak as I see it...... :(
 

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All you have to do is scroll down to the bottom of the screen until you see a box marked "quick reply". Type your message and click continue.

If you have your messages defaulted to check messages first it will bring it up for you to check. Once you are happy click submit and it will add it to the bottom of the thread. No need to start a new thread for each reply that way
 

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Dave...Thanks for the support.I,m off 24 Some days in bounce games can play off anything from 10 to 28 put a card in my hand and it,s goodnight vienna(seeing a shrink about this soon).the whole point is a level playing field.That,s all I and others ask for!!!Refused to play in my own clubs open last week as they set the limit at 18.Now thinkig "what if????"but the old scorecard mental thing comes into play!!!
 

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Thanks for the moral support guys, i did half expect a - 'thems the rules, get over it' response.

The comp i played in this week is a major but i have a feeling all comps are a max 18 handicap. When i first joined i played in the Sunday Golf School (stapelford mini comp) and becuase i didnt have an offical handicap they made me play of 18, fair enough as they didnt know my golf game.

playing off white tees with a 6 shots less than your actual playing handicap (which is a score you should play to less than 25% of the time anyway) is a huge disadvatange :mad:

Yep £3 a pop.

I might as well practice until i play to 18 and then enter comps. i'm suprised anyone on 19+ handicaps bothers to be honest.
 

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Hi Mikey

How are you doing, can you tell me what was your best card you handed in and if there was anything above double bogie on it i might be able to work your handicap out.

Our club does put a handicap limit of 24 for majors only other wise it's full.
 

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What a great idea. get all the people who can't play to 18, make them pay to get in a compy that they can't possibly win so there's more prize money for the rest to win. Its a killer.

Just what clubs need when membership rates are in decline - devise a method of making them decline even further!

Ok I play off 12 so it wouldn't affect me but if I was in your boots I'd be off to the next available club that doesn't discriminate against lesser players. Most of my mate play off 20 plus and I wouldn't feel comfortable with them losing shots just because they're not as good as me.

Why should a 28 handicapper be penalised 10 shots just so he can play in a compy?

Vote with your feet.............
 

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Micky,
"Thanks for the moral support guys, i did half expect a - 'thems the rules, get over it' response."

Well that was the rule in a club I was a member of in the 1960s - 70s. The maximum handicap for men was 20 and I was stuck on that all the time I was a member. The very good reason for this was that it was an easy course, dead flat with few hazards and fairly short. Unfortunately, when we moved to a new and more challenging course my handicap remained the same 20 and my scores increased somewhat.

I guess I agree with all the others on this matter.
 

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We get full allowance in all competitions except for club majors.

In medals there are 3 divisions for the respective handicap groups.

I think that allowing a maximum of 18 is disgusting to be honest. How on gods earth will a 28 handicapper ever have a chance in a medal??? Even if he plays his arse off he is still 10 strokes down before he even tees off and that isnt fair in my book.
 

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It is the same here except for some of the majors. Off full allowance and split into divisions.I'd be checking the upcoming comps and having a moan (including putting it in writing to the comeptition secretary) about how you are being penalised and forced to subsidised more competent golfers winning week in week out.

I have to be fair and say if I was at your club it wouldn't have many entries each week in its comps. My Saturday group normally consists of myself (14) and a 28, 24 and a 23. They would be out of there like a rocket if our club brought that ruling in as would avbout 40% or the regular entrants of our monthly stableford and medals
 

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Bad news Mickey!

Having played your place I can personally say it has some great holes but some of them are really tough for us high handicappers!

the 228 yard par 3 with an 80ft drop from tee to green for example the 18th with Cardiac Hill!

It's designed by Alastair McKenzie so it's a quality course but not exactly easy for someone of my limited ability (28 )
 

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Hi Doh, im doing Ok mate. golf is getting better, although not good enough to be off 20.

my best card submitted was (PAR 69 SSS 69)

6
5
6
3
7
6
9
6
4
52

6
6
3
8
5
5
5
5
5
48
52
100

Now i think that works out to 25 take off one for good measure and thats a handicap of 24.

Played a little inconsistent today and only managed 20 points, playing off 18. one of the lads i played with was off 11 and score 40 points! :eek:
 

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Well I’m going to take a different view. I think all HC committees should be cautious when giving a HC to a new member or new golfer. Over 35 years of golf I’ve seen new guys come along, put in 3 cards, get a good handicap and within a few months they’re winning by large margins and to be fair that how it should be if they’re playing a lot. That is only one reason to be on the cautious side. I’ve been with a few guys playing for their HC and to say they were trying was a bit of a joke. In fact I believe that clubs should send out a experienced member to help the evaluation. I’ve even had players who openly admitted they didn’t want to play too good; something I think is quite dishonest. Comments like “Ah well it’s only for my HC it doesn’t matter” I had just a few weeks ago. When I first played for my HC I was trying my heart out and I was disappointed when I got 16, I wanted less.

It personally annoys me when someone thinks their HC should reflect the problem they have in playing a medal round with a card in their hand. Tough, you need to get used to it like the rest of us, and if you play badly, then the HC will go up. Thinking you should get a HC that gives some kind of inbuilt comfort zone from the off is not on in my book.

Over the years I’ve played high HC guys in knockout comps. I gave 12 shots to a guy a couple of years ago and he had 5 net birdies and one net eagle and that was at the stroke index 1 hole. To be fair he’s a good guy, he hadn’t long started, and was clearly a fast improving player. This only shows it’s important to play in as many medal rounds as possible, it shows you need to work to play to your HC, this shows that this game is not easy and even the best players can have a bad run of form.

Work at your game, if it doesn’t happen your HC will go up.
 

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I say it's time to rebel......I'm completely fed up with what happened to me......I got given 11.5 (when 13-14 was nearer the mark) have played in 20+ competitions (at £3 a go.....straight to some bandit junior) and moved up 0.1 TOTAL in nearly a year.

Hang on realgolfer - doesn't this suggest that the handicap was right - if it was too low it would be going up consistently by 0.1 per comp. The fact that it hasn't suggests that you have beaten it occasionally, which is exactly what is supposed to happen!
 

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Mickey

Got the par's off the website. Yes your right it should be 24.Also it's not as if you did anything special on the low index holes so no room for ajustment there.

Perhaps this begs a question for people who are joining clubs for the first time should be asking.

"How will my handicap be calculated"
 
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