What does your club do if you change your medal time?

[CMAC]

My friend just told me he has a time booked online for the medal next week, a late time as it was pretty much all booked.

The draw sheet is closed on a Wednesday, he spots after that a space earlier as someone has withdrawn. He asks to get put in there as it's earlier and suits him.

He's informed that in any balloted draws if he moves tee time after the sheet is closed (3 days prior to comp) he then negates the right to win any prizes and plays for h/cap purposes only. If its a draw sheet where he chooses a time he can be moved after sheet closing without prejudice.

Seems a strange rule- anyone have similar and is it actually within the rules to do this?

 

[fundy]

Ours are really flexible. Comps secretary runs it on the day and will move people about to try and suit their needs if required (although he will already have aloocated late or early if requested). and if you hadnt even signed up to the medal you can turn up on the day and he'll either slot you in where someone has cancelled or make up another group at the back of the medal.

This may be far too modern an approach for most golf clubs though (and does rely on the comps sec being an absolute star, that said with the current fcast expect he may be a busy man in the morning!)

 

[cookelad]

WTF????

Sounds like another withdrawal to me!

 

[mcbroon]

Seems a bit OTT to me. In our drawn comps, if I haven't entered originally, I often ask the secretary for a specific time slot if I see that anyone has withdrawn. Never had a problem in getting it.

I understand it's not quite the same situation, as I'm not swapping a time I've already booked, but unless there's a rule about it (and I have no idea whether there is or not) then I can't see any justification for the stance being taken. Not only that, I can't understand what the club has to gain from that stance - surely it's only going to piss people off and ensure fewer comp entries?

 

[bladeplayer]

For normal comps its just the on line booking and there is never a bother changing times , online closes 3 hours before tee time but even still you can change with the assistance of the person in the shop ..

The only balloted one is usually the Captains , time sheet closes & draw is made on the thursday evening for Sat comp..
if you want to change after the draw is made you have to ask the committe , if they do allow it then you can play to win , no problem. usually never a problem ..

 

[patricks148]

My friend just told me he has a time booked online for the medal next week, a late time as it was pretty much all booked.

The draw sheet is closed on a Wednesday, he spots after that a space earlier as someone has withdrawn. He asks to get put in there as it's earlier and suits him.

He's informed that in any balloted draws if he moves tee time after the sheet is closed (3 days prior to comp) he then negates the right to win any prizes and plays for h/cap purposes only. If its a draw sheet where he chooses a time he can be moved after sheet closing without prejudice.

Seems a strange rule- anyone have similar and is it actually within the rules to do this?

my place would prob let you move no problem.

there was a case at another club last year where two guys put there names down for an open (drawn) told they could not play together as it was drawn. they last min changed to the last time as that wasn't filled. they won the gross and the handicap. they had also had done the same at a couple of other opens. not suggesting your mate is doing that, but maybe why the club has taken this line .

 

[tsped83]

Madness. That makes no sense and is just bureaucracy gone mad.

 

[pbrown7582]

our comps are all booked online bar the club champs you can edit up too 2 hours before hand.

previous clubs where drawn times are allocated you need committee approval to change/swap around normally given but they required notifying to approve beforehand.

 

[Simbo]

Pretty daft

Our club allows you to change times quite freely up until the day of the competition, on the day of the comp if you tee time is 2 pm you can phone in on the morning and play earlier if there is a time available but if your tee time is 10 am you can't phone at 8 and change it to 2pm, strange but that's the way it is

 

[CMAC]

Just to clarify- apparently on the day you can turn up if no time and get put in a space- no problem.

You can also be moved on the day by the pro shop staff to accomodate making up a 3 ball etc, also no problem.

The issue is if you make the request on a balloted draw after the closing date on a wednesday you cannot win any prizes, even if the change is made Thursday or Friday so it's not as though someone might be changing due to better weather forecast on the day, which I can understand such a possible rule.

 

[c1973]

Surely if it is a balloted draw you just accept the time you are allocated, no? Less hassle for all concerned that way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't see any problem with the guy in the OPs scenario getting an earlier time personally but then again if that is the club comp rules, just accept them.

 

[Sponge1980]

We are pretty flexible with our draws. We have an entry sheet for every comp that goes up at least a week before hand. If anyone wants a specific time they just put it on the sheet and it's no problem. We often have people entering after the draw has been made and we always fit them in. The only rule we have is if you turn up on the day and want to play you can't win anything.

 

[BTatHome]

We had issues with groups of people removing their name from the balloted entries and then filling in the groups at the end. Playing with their mates every weekend. Hence we changed it. You can now no longer move your name, unless the pro shop moves you to fill up a group. Spaces are filled with people from the reserve sheet.

 

[CMAC]

Surely if it is a balloted draw you just accept the time you are allocated, no? Less hassle for all concerned that way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't see any problem with the guy in the OPs scenario getting an earlier time personally but then again if that is the club comp rules, just accept them.

here's a scenario...
Enter club Championship ballot and get morning time- sheet closes Wednesday.

Thursday you realise you have to take Wife/sister/family member to hosp appointment or something similar on Saturday morning so check up and theres lots of free times in the afternoon.
Call pro shop and ask them to move you to one of the many free slots in the afternoon.

No problem they say, job done but you are now out of the Club Championship but you can play for your handicap only
Player is the defending champion!


What on Earth is the logic or reasoning behind such a rule?

 

[c1973]

here's a scenario...
Enter club Championship ballot and get morning time- sheet closes Wednesday.

Thursday you realise you have to take Wife/sister/family member to hosp appointment or something similar on Saturday morning so check up and theres lots of free times in the afternoon.
Call pro shop and ask them to move you to one of the many free slots in the afternoon.

No problem they say, job done but you are now out of the Club Championship but you can play for your handicap only
Player is the defending champion!


What on Earth is the logic or reasoning behind such a rule?

Check your diary first?

Thing is, there has to be rules, cut off points etc, not saying in all scenarios they make sense but they apply to everyone and ensures fairness.

Here's another scenario, guy gets his time (as per your post) comp closes etc etc, guy gets weather report and realises it's going to be glorious in the morning but blowing a gale in the afternoon, is it fair if he then calls up with a sob story (pork pie) and gets the vacant morning slot?

Both yours and my scenario could happen, the rule ensures people can't try and gain an advantage, if that means you can't win a prize then tough luck i'm afraid.

The rule may be harsh, but it's fair to ALL competitors.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

That's just daft for daft's sake. Who thought that up? I often change to an earlier time if I'm drawn late. I just ask the pro to move me up if someone drops out.

 

[CMAC]

Check your diary first?

Thing is, there has to be rules, cut off points etc, not saying in all scenarios they make sense but they apply to everyone and ensures fairness.

Here's another scenario, guy gets his time (as per your post) comp closes etc etc, guy gets weather report and realises it's going to be glorious in the morning but blowing a gale in the afternoon, is it fair if he then calls up with a sob story (pork pie) and gets the vacant morning slot?

Both yours and my scenario could happen, the rule ensures people can't try and gain an advantage, if that means you can't win a prize then tough luck i'm afraid.

The rule may be harsh, but it's fair to ALL competitors.

yes I agree about fairness and these scenarios probably do happen.

So what is the benefit to the club to ban you in a balloted time but allow you as many changes as you want at anytime after closing if it's a time you chose yourself?

 

[c1973]

yes I agree about fairness and these scenarios probably do happen.

So what is the benefit to the club to ban you in a balloted time but allow you as many changes as you want at anytime after closing if it's a time you chose yourself?

None. But it's not really about benefiting the club is it, it's about fairness in the comp. As I said in my first post, I personally don't have a problem with it, I can see why they would do it though.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Surely if it is a balloted draw you just accept the time you are allocated, no? Less hassle for all concerned that way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't see any problem with the guy in the OPs scenario getting an earlier time personally but then again if that is the club comp rules, just accept them.

I actually can't think of a single reason why this would be a rule. It would make more sense (but still be daft) if you couldn't move your time. If they are allowing you to move it, why then ban you from winning

 

[c1973]

I actually can't think of a single reason why this would be a rule. It would make more sense (but still be daft) if you couldn't move your time. If they are allowing you to move it, why then ban you from winning

Possibly to negate any perceived advantage in winning the comp, while allowing you to compete against the course for HC purposes. I don't know really, I'm only saying I can see reasons (as per my previous post) why they would have such a rule.