Well said Andrew Neil

[spongebob59]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=106&v=_eP_9kMmOO0

 

[Tashyboy]

Well posted sponge bob, an excellent video and says what all sound of mind people think.

 

[chrisd]

Pretty well says it all really!

 

[MegaSteve]

Re: Well said Andrew neil

Don't always agree with his politics...
In fact rarely do...
But, more or less spot on with this...


FWIW
I believe he now mainly resides in Paris...

 

[Hobbit]

Re: Well said Andrew neil

Well, after hearing on the radio he'd crossed the line I'm more inclined to say he has been quite gentle in his terminology. There has been a suggestion that France may have been a little excessive in their air attacks. Personally, for the the likes of headquarter towns of Raqqa I'd like to see carpet bombing of the like not seen since B-52's visited Vietnam.

And for the yoghurt knitters I'd suggest ordering in a pot of tea and inviting some IS terrorists round to discuss their concerns...

 

[Snelly]

Re: Well said Andrew neil

Top man - great speech.

We can't negotiate with IS - there is no common ground. We simply need to pulverise them into oblivion wherever they pop up.

Simultaneously, we must as a nation, start to discuss the true nature of Islam and the necessity for it's modernisation and proper integration of these insular Muslim communities in our cities.

 

[delc]

Re: Well said Andrew neil

Have IS issued a fatwah against him yet?!!! :mmm:

 

[Ethan]

And for the yoghurt knitters I'd suggest ordering in a pot of tea and inviting some IS terrorists round to discuss their concerns...

Well, let's see. Iraq2. Well that'll be done and dusted in a couple of weeks. No problem. Oops.

Afghanistan. Some bombing, some nation building. What could go wrong? Oops.

Oh dear, looks like removing Saddam has triggered a domino effect in the region and radical Islam and a nuclear Iran has been unleashed. Oops.

The idea of leaving IS to the regional forces who are basically the cause, e.g. Saudi, is not a left position. Many Conservatives in the US and UK agree and Max Hastings agreed last night on Question Time.

Those of you who see this as an X Box game need to explain how the west gets out without creating a bigger problem.

 

[Rooter]

Yeh i'm with Ethan here, proceed with caution would be my term to use. Antagonizing and almost poking them with a stick via world media (while i wholly agree with what he says!) May not be the best idea and i am surprised the Beeb let him do it.

 

[Hobbit]

Well, let's see. Iraq2. Well that'll be done and dusted in a couple of weeks. No problem. Oops.

Afghanistan. Some bombing, some nation building. What could go wrong? Oops.

Oh dear, looks like removing Saddam has triggered a domino effect in the region and radical Islam and a nuclear Iran has been unleashed. Oops.

The idea of leaving IS to the regional forces who are basically the cause, e.g. Saudi, is not a left position. Many Conservatives in the US and UK agree and Max Hastings agreed last night on Question Time.

Those of you who see this as an X Box game need to explain how the west gets out without creating a bigger problem.

Do you honestly think I care what someone like you think?

 

[Ethan]

Do you honestly think I care what someone like you think?

No idea but fortunately I don't give a toss. Please feel free to show your disapproval with a dignified silence from now on.

Hopefully some others capable of actually thinking about things might read the post though and engage in intelligent debate.

 

[williamalex1]

Re: Well said Andrew neil

Have IS issued a fatwah against him yet?!!! :mmm:

I nearly choked on my Weetabix., But well said Andrew :thup:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Well, let's see. Iraq2. Well that'll be done and dusted in a couple of weeks. No problem. Oops.

Afghanistan. Some bombing, some nation building. What could go wrong? Oops.

Oh dear, looks like removing Saddam has triggered a domino effect in the region and radical Islam and a nuclear Iran has been unleashed. Oops.

The idea of leaving IS to the regional forces who are basically the cause, e.g. Saudi, is not a left position. Many Conservatives in the US and UK agree and Max Hastings agreed last night on Question Time.

Those of you who see this as an X Box game need to explain how the west gets out without creating a bigger problem.

And if we stand by and do nothing, then what, for all your words you offer no solution, it's ok being clever and selfrighteous, but no attempt at an answer or solution.

 

[Ethan]

And if we stand by and do nothing, then what, for all your words you offer no solution, it's ok being clever and selfrighteous, but no attempt at an answer or solution.

Self righteous? Ha, that is a laugh coming from some of you lot. Nothing self righteous about being unwilling to blunder in, cause chaos and unleash something worse than what you were trying to fix. That has happened several times now in the last couple of decades. Failing to think to through is arrogant and reckless.

If you put down your Daily Mail for a second, and read my post, you will see that this is a Middle East problem and should be sorted out by countries in the region with an interest. Saudi has an army of a quarter of a million, bigger than the UK, and uses plenty of UK equipment and training. They should sort it out. Then there wouldn't be issues about western Christians continuing a crude against Islam.

So, smart non self-righteous guy, who demands solutions, what exactly is yours? Have you anything more than 'do something'.

 

[Tashyboy]

And if we stand by and do nothing, then what, for all your words you offer no solution, it's ok being clever and selfrighteous, but no attempt at an answer or solution.

Which is the usual case, but always tinged with personal insults.

The sad thing is that a lot of what he says is worth reading and thinking about. It's usually the last two sentences that revert to personal attacks that " turn people off".

 

[Snelly]

I don't see it as an Xbox game but thanks for the typically patronising jibe.

I do see IS as being like the Nazis - the only thing that will sort them is bullets. They are vermin and have to be eradicated.

The root cause is Islam theology - a violent religion, invented by a warrior, that belongs back in the dark ages. See Sadiq Khan for a properly enlightened view of this. His opinions are erudite and timely, not least because they cannot be criticised by Guardian reading apologist navel gazers as he is a British Muslim who also happens to be part of the same intelligentsia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...owing-anyone-from-a-different-background.html

You can read the same in the Guardian if you are too wet and prissy to look at the Telegraph website.

 

[Sweep]

An excellent speech and well done for posting!
Sadly, I have to say that those who think this problem can be solved by leaving the IS problem to others are being idealistic and deluding themselves. Yes, I agree that some of the problems we face today in the Middle East are of the Wests making and typically caused by having George W Bush and Tony Blair in power at the same time. A true disaster for our world. However, whilst conflicts like the second Gulf war was unneccesary and misguided, solving the IS problem is not. This is not a Middle East problem. It is everyone's problem and if you don't believe that, then just look where last Friday's tragedy took place. If we don't take the fight to IS, they will bring it to us and are doing so already.
This is actually little to do with religion. We have to accept that some people will turn to evil given any excuse and this is an excuse. This is a good versus evil struggle and it is a duty of every country, every government of decent people to defeat evil where it raises it's ugly head. As they say, evil only succeeds when good men do nothing.
Its time to stop this half hearted attempt at irradication of IS. Stop tying one arm behind our own back. It's laughable that we only air strike in Iraq when IS is mainly in Syria.
In the last gulf war, There were no weapons of mass destruction, but this time there is a real threat and we have to deal with it, if only to protect our own citizens.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Self righteous? Ha, that is a laugh coming from some of you lot. Nothing self righteous about being unwilling to blunder in, cause chaos and unleash something worse than what you were trying to fix. That has happened several times now in the last couple of decades. Failing to think to through is arrogant and reckless.

If you put down your Daily Mail for a second, and read my post, you will see that this is a Middle East problem and should be sorted out by countries in the region with an interest. Saudi has an army of a quarter of a million, bigger than the UK, and uses plenty of UK equipment and training. They should sort it out. Then there wouldn't be issues about western Christians continuing a crude against Islam.

So, smart non self-righteous guy, who demands solutions, what exactly is yours? Have you anything more than 'do something'.

Typical that everyone who has an opposite opinion is a Daily Mail reader, unfortunately being in the Forces for over 35 years I have personally experienced what our blundering in has done to our families and personal friends, hindsight is a wonderful thing, unfortunately we are involved and cannot now simply turn our backs and walk away, it needs both Military action and engagement with the other nations, but do you really see any "talks" with IS, they seem pretty much convinced of their aims and by us westerners pulling out and doing nothing, the attocities will continue.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Which is the usual case, but always tinged with personal insults.

The sad thing is that a lot of what he says is worth reading and thinking about. It's usually the last two sentences that revert to personal attacks that " turn people off".

Tashy, everything he said prior to the last two sentences was no more than historical fact, can't be changed, shouldn't of happened, but just typing them out without offering any solutions is easy.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Do you honestly think I care what someone like you think?

That was a very rude reply to a thoughtful post.
A post that many right wing politicians agree with.

The UK foreign/defence policy has been in a right mucking fuddle in the last two decades.
We are a small nation on the edge of the world not the police force at the centre of it.