Wedge spin and balls

[Dannyj1984]

I've recently been trying to get more consistent with my wedges from about 130 yards and in, I've used the clock face technique 11-1 10-2 9-3 etc and got distances for my pw 49 54 and 58 wedges, I used a gc2 to get carry distances but annoyingly struggle to get any control over the roll out. Out on the course I don't think I've ever hit one that's done a nice skip and stop. I first tried playing to land short on the green but they bounce through, I've landed short of the green and they bounce through!! I normally use ad333 balls but yesterday played with some prov1x I got ages ago and never used. Still didn't get any spin could this be the greens and ground in general is too hard? I'm guessing our course isn't maintained to the standards of the PGA circuit. But I've seen others stopping them with a skip and stop.

Also on another point I found that prov1s had a different flight to the srixon. I normally use a 3h of the tee and normally dead straight but with these they all seemed to fade and I had so many shots from just in the rough. Is this just a coincidence or is it possible with another ball?

Thanks

Danny

 

[Jamesbrown]

multiple factors.
Strike, loft at impact, speed, lie.
Pw isn't a great deal of loft anyway.
have a go with your SW. Look at alternative wedges and degrees.
See a PGA professional for coaching.

 

[garyinderry]

Chances are the ground is too firm at the minute to get any real stop on those approach shots. The pro v will still St down quicker than the ad333.

Pros and good players hit them harder and generate more spins. Even when its firm they are not stopping them on a dime.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Probably down to the conditions and the strike. To be honest, off our handicaps, while 130 yards and in, is an important zone, and working on that area is important, try not to get too hung up on technique, spin etc and make sure you hit target. I think you'll find Pro V and premium balls are going to give more spin so why that will help on pitches it will also exaggerate side spin which is why you see more curvature on tee shots

 

[rob_golf1]

Pros have much higher swing speeds which will help to create more spin on the ball.

The other big thing for me is the time of year and conditions of the course. We have had a fair few dry weeks recently so most courses are playing firm meaning it's a case of landing it short and using your course knowledge to know where to land it and let it run out to the flag.

I had a few shots yesterday with higher lofted clubs that sat on the larger greens. The smaller greens with run off areas were approached with more caution and I was running the ball in instead.

 

[ScienceBoy]

The pros also play on high spec receptive greens. Still fast for putting though as you can have both.

Worry less about how it looks and more about the result.

You will always have roll out and the skip and stop is usually saved for soggy autumn greens

 

[Tashyboy]

Don't worry, it's not only you that cannot get them to stop on the greens. Talking to our green keeper and he said they have never chucked so much water on them. Says they are starting to stop the balls but if you miss the green with a full wedge they will fly on rock hard surfaces.
re the ad333 and the pro V1x. I play with the ad 333 and find any poor shot will fade out. Any poor shot with the Pro V1x will slice. It is a spinnier ball and an excellent premium ball in the right hands. That is anyone that can control spin and manufacture shots. Me playing off 20, it ain't gonna happen. Won three off the golf monthly mag and gave them away.

 

[patricks148]

TBH i think you are expecting too much of yourself. its all about quality of strike and the club head speed to a certain extent.

Ive seen very few golfers above single figure that will be able to get the ball to stop dead consistently

 

[Dannyj1984]

TBH i think you are expecting too much of yourself.

Isn't that how you improve I've got a lesson next month and never had lesson on wedge play before always been on driving and irons. I'm not expecting to consistently get the ball to bounce once and sit dead ala spieth but it would be nice for it not to bounce 4 times then roll another 20ft!! Annoyingly when I did my yardages I didn't note down my spinrate and club speed!! Doh

 

[patricks148]

Isn't that how you improve I've got a lesson next month and never had lesson on wedge play before always been on driving and irons. I'm not expecting to consistently get the ball to bounce once and sit dead ala spieth but it would be nice for it not to bounce 4 times then roll another 20ft!! Annoyingly when I did my yardages I didn't note down my spinrate and club speed!! Doh

thats the point you would probably need to improve to be able to do it.

 

[SocketRocket]

You will get more spin by making good impact and ball compression. A ball with a low spin rate will land and roll on unless it has a very high trajectory. Read up on 'Spin Loft' and how to improve it.

 

[jim8flog]

Really Good levels of spin and AD333 do not go together unless you are hitting in to greens that are like rice pudding.

I like to think of myself as someone who can get good spin from a wedge and with the really dry conditions of late I happy to get drop and stop within 10 feet from a full wedge.

Our greens only get enough water to keep the grass alive, we do not aim to produce American golf course type conditions.

 

[Jates12]

Its a tough one, Your PW is the loft of my new GW and with a specific wedge youre going to generate more spin that with an iron set PW, the ball plays a part but as said before, its the strike on the ball and i dont know a lot of club golfers that get regular munch on our standard of green.

 

[xreyuk]

I tend to be pretty good at this (despite my handicap) and it can be done with varying strikes from ‘picking it’ off the surface, or getting a solid downstrike contact.

I had some short game pitching advice from Jim Payne a few years ago, which definitely helped on short chips, but translated to 30-60 yard pitch shots.

As you’re swinging, bring the clubface back to the ball square in your downswinf, but as you follow through, allow the club face to remain open (so the sole of the club is horizontal, pointing towards the target). On short chips this helps create that bounce, check, short roll out. It translates to pitch shots too, mine generally pull up immediately on the second bounce. I didn’t realise this until I had the lesson, but this is how I pitch naturally.

To aid this, you can also try pitching and chipping with an open stance, I.e pointing way left of target with your feet and shoulders, but swinging along the line of where you want the ball to go. I think being taught to pitch like this Is what makes me generate backspin naturally.

You can create the opposite effect of more roll, by closing the club face after impact, so that the sole of the club is vertical. This isn’t really useful on pitch shots, but is very useful for chipping and running up steep slopes.

He taught me all this when I was a 12 handicap, where I was a single figure ball striker but had a crap short game. After a bit of practice it became quite easy to manipulate the ball on short shots.

Obviously all of the above depends on a good ball strike, and very importantly, a clean club face.

No idea how any of the lower handicappers might feel about what I was taught though!

 

[Shooter McPowick]

How old are your wedges? I know manufacturers bang on about wedges loosing their effectiveness to spin a ball over time and it is noticeable.

I upgraded my year old Cleveland RTX 2.0's to 3.0's and while there's not a huge difference, there is a difference.

Spinning a ball requires a few factors:
- Dry clean club and ball - a tour ball will yield better results.
- loft
- the harder you hit it the more spin will be generated.
- clean contact

 

[Dannyj1984]

My 54 which is the one I've been using to try this is about 4 months old (rtx 3.0) I'll have to go in the evening to try and get some practice on the greens. There isn't anywhere to try on the practice areas. But I'm guessing it's frowned upon hitting endless 50 yard pitch shots onto the greens 😳

 

[GreggerKBR]

With a 54 you should try from a bit further than 50 yards, that's just a little feel shot
So go out to maybe 70+ yards, so that you're using at least a 3/4 or nr full backswing.
My 54 will only get serious spin between 90-110 yards. Inside of that it will spin, but just rolls out a bit more.
You need that for the clubhead speed to be high enough to generate enough spin.
Only analyse it from good clean lies, with clean clubface, dry conditions quality ball
You have to release the shaft, don't have too much shaft lean on it
That will give you a best stock shot to assess this from
Then you can start to adapt your shot plans for shorter shots.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Spinning a ball requires a few factors:
- Dry clean club and ball - a tour ball will yield better results.
- loft
- the harder you hit it the more spin will be generated.
- clean contact

And grooves that aren't full of crud!

 

[garyinderry]

buy a mcdaddy wedge. boy do they spin.


its only really useful if you can control it. Seen very few with that much skill to know how and when to do so.

I like to see my shots sit down relatively quickly. I am never trying to suck approach shots back.

 

[Bobirdie]

Out of interest how far are you carrying your wedges?