Wedge Lies

[Papas1982]

Upright, flat or standard?

Im in the process of getting some new toys. Thinking Cleveland as I have them currently and like them. Although Vokeys are tempting.

Anyway, my question. How does the lie of the club effect them? I know I could get a lesson. But I'd say my wedge play isn't very orthodox, it's quite good (imo), but no settled swing type to be fitted on.

Im just curious, is flat just opening the clubs etc and adding loft or so it not that simple?

 

[Three]

The lie angles are very important in wedges.

The higher the loft, the more the face aim is affected buy the lie angle.

So, get the correct lie angle for you.

 

[DCB]

If you are serious, get fitted for your wedges. It may surprise you compared with the rest of your set. You may well find you play your wedges with a more upright swing , so the wedges need to be bent accordingly.

 

[Region3]

Lie angle doesn't affect opening the face etc. It affects whether the sole is flat at address or the toe or heel is off the ground.

If you imagine the head sitting nicely on the ground, flat would lower the grip and upright would raise it, so it's not a question of having a lesson to fix something, it's just what suits you swing.

 

[Papas1982]

Lie angle doesn't affect opening the face etc. It affects whether the sole is flat at address or the toe or heel is off the ground.

If you imagine the head sitting nicely on the ground, flat would lower the grip and upright would raise it, so it's not a question of having a lesson to fix something, it's just what suits you swing.

So in theory if I was a slider then flat would be more beneficial? May have to try and arrange something. But in today's market. Bit sure u wanna pay 120 a wedge when I can get three online for 150.

 

[One Planer]

Upright, flat or standard?

Im in the process of getting some new toys. Thinking Cleveland as I have them currently and like them. Although Vokeys are tempting.

Anyway, my question. How does the lie of the club effect them? I know I could get a lesson. But I'd say my wedge play isn't very orthodox, it's quite good (imo), but no settled swing type to be fitted on.

Im just curious, is flat just opening the clubs etc and adding loft or so it not that simple?

How often do you hit a full wedge?

If you hit them more often than not, I'd opt for something similar to your irons.

Personally, I tend not too hit my wedges on the full too often so I have mine bent fractionally flat as that's what I prefer.

 

[Three]

Lie angle doesn't affect opening the face etc. It affects whether the sole is flat at address or the toe or heel is off the ground.
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Sorry but the first sentence is completely wrong, the second sentence is correct and completely affects the lie angle of higher lofted clubs, especially wedges.

I suggest people look at "face plane tilt".

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Simple answer but why not ask a PGA pro for advice. They will advise you and if necessary look at your "unorthodox" technique. I'd definitely want to know what suited before I parted with the cash.

 

[Papas1982]

How often do you hit a full wedge?

If you hit them more often than not, I'd opt for something similar to your irons.

Personally, I tend not too hit my wedges on the full too often so I have mine bent fractionally flat as that's what I prefer.

The 50 I would no doubt be hitting full more often than not. The 56 and 62 more short swings.

 

[Papas1982]

Simple answer but why not ask a PGA pro for advice. They will advise you and if necessary look at your "unorthodox" technique. I'd definitely want to know what suited before I parted with the cash.

from the short convos I've had with the folk at my course suggest that their main aim is to upsell. I may see a pro I've used a couple of times, but he's attached to an AG. So would likely only have shelf clubs in to practice with.

 

[Region3]

Sorry but the first sentence is completely wrong, the second sentence is correct and completely affects the lie angle of higher lofted clubs, especially wedges.

I suggest people look at "face plane tilt".

Worded it badly.

I meant whether you open the face much with your wedges has no bearing on needing flat or upright lie angles.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

from the short convos I've had with the folk at my course suggest that their main aim is to upsell. I may see a pro I've used a couple of times, but he's attached to an AG. So would likely only have shelf clubs in to practice with.

Are there no pros at a local range you could ask too?

 

[Papas1982]

Are there no pros at a local range you could ask too?

The range I tend to use it attached to the AG.
Ill likely see the pro I've used previously. Nice lad so I can at least use his opinion. Lessons have worked for me on irons and driver where it's more of a routine. Just don't seem to have a set way of playing anything inside 100 yards.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Just don't seem to have a set way of playing anything inside 100 yards.

That may be the way forward. Maybe learn to use the wedges you have. What is this unorthodox method you have? A thirty minute lesson may stop the need to get a new set of wedges (although we all love shiny new clubs don't we)

 

[Papas1982]

That may be the way forward. Maybe learn to use the wedges you have. What is this unorthodox method you have? A thirty minute lesson may stop the need to get a new set of wedges (although we all love shiny new clubs don't we)

Maybe unorthodox was the wrong word. I simply mean that with my driver and irons I have one set up and one swing. When I'm closer in I like to play an array of different shots. So I feel that getting fit to some wedges would be difficult as one time I'll open a face and hit it high and another ill try and play it more bump n run etc. I can use the wedges I have fine. But only have a 54 and a 60. So it's a big jump from the pw. The deals online mean I could basically replace my old with new and get a new 50 for around £80. So I'm gonna feed my need for new shinies lol

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Maybe unorthodox was the wrong word. I simply mean that with my driver and irons I have one set up and one swing. When I'm closer in I like to play an array of different shots. So I feel that getting fit to some wedges would be difficult as one time I'll open a face and hit it high and another ill try and play it more bump n run etc. I can use the wedges I have fine. But only have a 54 and a 60. So it's a big jump from the pw. The deals online mean I could basically replace my old with new and get a new 50 for around £80. So I'm gonna feed my need for new shinies lol

I'm no expert but most wedges are easy to open up and surely it'll come down to what sort of shots you hit when you pitch. Are you a digger or a slider on the turf as each would have different sole/bounce characteristics. Assuming the PW is around 46 degrees why not go 52/58 (the latter can be opened up) or even 50/54/58 to give you even more variety. Either way I'm sure you find something to suit and enjoy the new shinies and I expect to read about you becoming a short game wizard this summer

 

[Papas1982]

I'm no expert but most wedges are easy to open up and surely it'll come down to what sort of shots you hit when you pitch. Are you a digger or a slider on the turf as each would have different sole/bounce characteristics. Assuming the PW is around 46 degrees why not go 52/58 (the latter can be opened up) or even 50/54/58 to give you even more variety. Either way I'm sure you find something to suit and enjoy the new shinies and I expect to read about you becoming a short game wizard this summer

the pw is only 43 from what I've seen online. I'm already a magician on the course. Unfortunately that's mainly due to my ability to make golf balls disappear into thick rough or oob.......

 

[HomerJSimpson]

the pw is only 43 from what I've seen online. I'm already a magician on the course. Unfortunately that's mainly due to my ability to make golf balls disappear into thick rough or oob.......

50/54/58 seems the way forward. Of course you could even go 48/52/56/60 and be wedge man

 

[Papas1982]

50/54/58 seems the way forward. Of course you could even go 48/52/56/60 and be wedge man

I'm more inclined 50/54/58/62. Just need to find my cape to match the name now!

 

[Foxholer]

Just don't seem to have a set way of playing anything inside 100 yards.

Look at Dave Pelz's Clock system (Short Game Bible) and/or Stan Utley's 'The Art of the Short Game'. Pick whichever works best for you. Or even use both, though that can be confusing. Be warned that Pelz's book can be hard going for a relatively simple philosophy - there is a lot of explanation about he developed the system that can be skipped and it really only takes 50 pages or less to actually explain it - everything else is reinforcement!