We are all in it together - Aye Right!

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Corbyn's Labour's success in the GE and the response of the government and the local council to the Grenfell Tower disaster suggests that many, many people have had enough.

Enough of austerity - a political choice the Tories made that hit the poorest of society, enough of being ignored and dismissed as this disaster that highlights the disdain that many of the powerful and wealthy hold for the poorest and weakest of society.

Enough of weasel words from politicians avoiding taking responsibility for anything - pretending that they are doing something when they are not. Ignoring cries for help and the pleading that life is incredibly difficult.

Enough of a system that thinks it's OK to remove benefits and make penniless those who do not meet every demand that the state make of them - blind, heartless, unsympathetic and unlistening to those pleading their case and asking for consideration - where sanctions mean no money - none - not a penny. Not caring that by these measures people go hungry and become homeless.

Where a Brexit driven by those with more conning those with less into believing the Brexit is the answer - when we know it is not - and when these wealthy self-serving know that it is going to be a difficult mess - an economic disaster that will hit which sector of our society hardest? Of course - as usual - the poorest.

And yet those who can afford to contribute more through the tax system complain at paying £10 a week more, because that's unfair. UNFAIR???

We are all in it together - Aye Right!!

God bless and help us all. Things are not going to be good.

 

[Papas1982]

Corbyn's Labour's success in the GE and the response of the government and the local council to the Grenfell Tower disaster suggests that many, many people have had enough.

Enough of austerity - a political choice the Tories made that hit the poorest of society, enough of being ignored and dismissed as this disaster that highlights the disdain that many of the powerful and wealthy hold for the poorest and weakest of society.

Enough of weasel words from politicians avoiding taking responsibility for anything - pretending that they are doing something when they are not. Ignoring cries for help and the pleading that life is incredibly difficult.

Enough of a system that thinks it's OK to remove benefits and make penniless those who do not meet every demand that the state make of them - blind, heartless, unsympathetic and unlistening to those pleading their case and asking for consideration - where sanctions mean no money - none - not a penny. Not caring that by these measures people go hungry and become homeless.

Where a Brexit driven by those with more conning those with less into believing the Brexit is the answer - when we know it is not - and when these wealthy self-serving know that it is going to be a difficult mess - an economic disaster that will hit which sector of our society hardest? Of course - as usual - the poorest.

And yet those who can afford to contribute more through the tax system complain at paying £10 a week more, because that's unfair. UNFAIR???

We are all in it together - Aye Right!!

God bless and help us all. Things are not going to be good.

Didn't labour lose?

 

[toyboy54]

Friday night ...driving range/few beers/agree with not only the post but also the reasoning!!!The Housing Minister rents out 31 properties?
How can he be impartial when new regulations are called for (and voted against by our august leaders.....are we meant to respect these people????
The SUN (I know/I know)but it is still a sort of purveyor of news/facts...but here in Scotland we have a guy called Bill Leckie who has a column every Thursday suggest you go online and read his take on the present shower and their motivations/opinions of the likes of me working class)
I'm thinking that if this guy stood for election to anywhere then I would vote for him!!
Anyway goodnight all and happy golfing this weekend.
Jimbo

 

[Farneyman]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/archives/news/80901/leckie-we-need-a-cure-for-this-bitter-campaign/

Is this the article?

 

[toyboy54]

Farneyman ......Nope I meant yesterday's article....and I'll never vote SNP again(what the hell was I thinking...that they could really make Westminster sit up and care?)When he speaks so much sense and articulates what you may(?) be thinking but all you have is one vote he has a column that reaches I don't know how many but I do agree with him as he seems to say what I feel!!!
Jimbo

 

[SocketRocket]

Corbyn's Labour's success in the GE and the response of the government and the local council to the Grenfell Tower disaster suggests that many, many people have had enough.

Enough of austerity - a political choice the Tories made that hit the poorest of society, enough of being ignored and dismissed as this disaster that highlights the disdain that many of the powerful and wealthy hold for the poorest and weakest of society.

Enough of weasel words from politicians avoiding taking responsibility for anything - pretending that they are doing something when they are not. Ignoring cries for help and the pleading that life is incredibly difficult.

Enough of a system that thinks it's OK to remove benefits and make penniless those who do not meet every demand that the state make of them - blind, heartless, unsympathetic and unlistening to those pleading their case and asking for consideration - where sanctions mean no money - none - not a penny. Not caring that by these measures people go hungry and become homeless.

Where a Brexit driven by those with more conning those with less into believing the Brexit is the answer - when we know it is not - and when these wealthy self-serving know that it is going to be a difficult mess - an economic disaster that will hit which sector of our society hardest? Of course - as usual - the poorest.

And yet those who can afford to contribute more through the tax system complain at paying £10 a week more, because that's unfair. UNFAIR???

We are all in it together - Aye Right!!

God bless and help us all. Things are not going to be good.

Even more vitriolic Bile.

 

[Slime]

If we're all in it together why can't you accept that the tories won the election, the electorate voted for Brexit and the Scottish didn't want independence.
These were democratic elections/referendums conducted by a democracy.
Accept it ................... it is what it is.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm out. No point in me expressing a 'liberal' or 'christian values' based political opinion on this forum as others just get angry and abusive - even when the view I express is a view that is quite widely held. And to be told that to disagree with a democratic decision is undemocratic - quite absurd.

And so on this - well those who don't like what I have posted can continue to imagine that we are indeed all in it together when maybe - just maybe - there is evidence to suggest that we are not. Whatever.

Anyway - I've been told I wind people up - well I can't help it if I express views that others don't like or disagree with, but that's life...so again - I'm out of this. It's a sad state of affairs.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Blimey - you have no "announced you re out" on every single political thread. Didn't realise you were a bit of attention seeking child for goodness sake just don't post - you don't have to announce it

 

[Slab]

I'm out. No point in me expressing a 'liberal' or 'christian values' based political opinion on this forum as others just get angry and abusive - even when the view I express is a view that is quite widely held. And to be told that to disagree with a democratic decision is undemocratic - quite absurd.

And so on this - well those who don't like what I have posted can continue to imagine that we are indeed all in it together when maybe - just maybe - there is evidence to suggest that we are not. Whatever.

Anyway - I've been told I wind people up - well I can't help it if I express views that others don't like or disagree with, but that's life...so again - I'm out of this. It's a sad state of affairs.

I don't really contribute on the political threads but this made me need to reply:


Shouldn't we the GM members get a vote or something to decide if you're actually Out or not?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Blimey - you have no "announced you re out" on every single political thread. Didn't realise you were a bit of attention seeking child for goodness sake just don't post - you don't have to announce it

I was told to - I am not hugely pleased at that. And I wanted to put a sign-off comment on anything I have had an interest in. Please don't criticise me for walking away from these.

 

[drdel]

I'm out. No point in me expressing a 'liberal' or 'christian values' based political opinion on this forum as others just get angry and abusive - even when the view I express is a view that is quite widely held. And to be told that to disagree with a democratic decision is undemocratic - quite absurd.

And so on this - well those who don't like what I have posted can continue to imagine that we are indeed all in it together when maybe - just maybe - there is evidence to suggest that we are not. Whatever.

Anyway - I've been told I wind people up - well I can't help it if I express views that others don't like or disagree with, but that's life...so again - I'm out of this. It's a sad state of affairs.

I think it is the emotive way you choose to state your opinions that gets you the forceful replies.

 

[Fish]

I was told to - I am not hugely pleased at that. And I wanted to put a sign-off comment on anything I have had an interest in. Please don't criticise me for walking away from these.

Good, because you're like a broken record!

There must be god knows how many threads that you've either started, possibly because 'you're out' of a previous one so you start another up or jump in two-footed into another existing one just to turn that around to your usual agenda because 'you're out' of another.....

I'm amazed many read your posts because the baseline is the same in all of them eventually, you're just full of bitterness and bile and yet try to make yourself out to be some kind of forgiving christian tree hugging do gooder!

You remind me of Dave Nellist!!

 

[ManinBlack]

I am not a political person by any means, I think a lot of politicians are self serving & dishonest & that the honest, public spirited ones cannot get anything done because they are blocked by those seeking to protect their vested interests. I think a government led by Jeremy Corbyn would be an economic disaster. The fact that he came so close to winning is astonishing & is an indication that even staunch Tory supporters think that the party has moved too far to the right. Had my former local MP, David Milliband, been Labour leader at the General Election, he would have, in my opinion, won by a landslide. His dickhead of a brother did the Party no favours standing against him.

All of the people I employ are in the 17 to 24 age group & they are, to a man (& woman), Labour supporting pro Europeans. Once a few more of these reach voting age I think it's almost inevitable that the Tories will be ousted, unless they move to the left & fill the void left by the demise of New Labour. Following this, a reverse out of Brexit would be on the cards.

The OP has made some good points & has come in for more criticism than he deserves. The government's austerity policy has had too much impact on the poor & it is only the fact that traditional Tory voters couldn't bring themselves to vote for a party led by Corbyn prevented a Labour victory.

 

[chrisd]

Good, because you're like a broken record!

There must be god knows how many threads that you've either started, possibly because 'you're out' of a previous one so you start another up or jump in two-footed into another existing one just to turn that around to your usual agenda because 'you're out' of another.....

I'm amazed many read your posts because the baseline is the same in all of them eventually, you're just full of bitterness and bile and yet try to make yourself out to be some kind of forgiving christian tree hugging do gooder!

You remind me of Dave Nellist!!

To be fair SILH, Fish sums up my feelings perfectly.

Whether it is range finders or Brexit you just can't accept that other people's opinions are valid, that you won't/they won't change them and everyone is entitled to stand by them and not be subjected to childish derision because of them.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I am not a political person by any means, I think a lot of politicians are self serving & dishonest & that the honest, public spirited ones cannot get anything done because they are blocked by those seeking to protect their vested interests. I think a government led by Jeremy Corbyn would be an economic disaster. The fact that he came so close to winning is astonishing & is an indication that even staunch Tory supporters think that the party has moved too far to the right. Had my former local MP, David Milliband, been Labour leader at the General Election, he would have, in my opinion, won by a landslide. His dickhead of a brother did the Party no favours standing against him.

All of the people I employ are in the 17 to 24 age group & they are, to a man (& woman), Labour supporting pro Europeans. Once a few more of these reach voting age I think it's almost inevitable that the Tories will be ousted, unless they move to the left & fill the void left by the demise of New Labour. Following this, a reverse out of Brexit would be on the cards.

The OP has made some good points & has come in for more criticism than he deserves. The government's austerity policy has had too much impact on the poor & it is only the fact that traditional Tory voters couldn't bring themselves to vote for a party led by Corbyn prevented a Labour victory.

I do with agree with some of what you say, however the reason Milliband D was beaten by his bother was because of the unions. If it had been one member one vote and no union block votes, our political history would in all likelyhood be very different....much as if John Smith hadn't been lost so early in his life.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

To be fair SILH, Fish sums up my feelings perfectly.

Whether it is range finders or Brexit you just can't accept that other people's opinions are valid, that you won't/they won't change them and everyone is entitled to stand by them and not be subjected to childish derision because of them.

Let's be fair to SiLH it hasn't all been one way traffic on the political threads - far from it , only have to look at how many replies people have done on the political threads and the same names appear at the top and it's not just SILH

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Both Hogan and Socket have been asked to take a break from political threads for a few days and then to limit their posts in those same threads.

There, now you know, so can we stop the speculation and gnashing of teeth and get back to saving the world

 

[GreiginFife]

I'm out. No point in me expressing a 'liberal' or 'christian values' based political opinion on this forum as others just get angry and abusive - even when the view I express is a view that is quite widely held. And to be told that to disagree with a democratic decision is undemocratic - quite absurd.

And so on this - well those who don't like what I have posted can continue to imagine that we are indeed all in it together when maybe - just maybe - there is evidence to suggest that we are not. Whatever.

Anyway - I've been told I wind people up - well I can't help it if I express views that others don't like or disagree with, but that's life...so again - I'm out of this. It's a sad state of affairs.

A widely held view does not mean that it's any more right or wrong than people who express an opposing view. Racism is a widely held view, but I am sure you will agree that it's not right to all but some in society. And sadly you are highly unlikely to change their mind on that by repeating to them that it's wrong.

You have an obviously passionate view and hatred of the government, we all get that, repeating it ad nauseum doesn't make it any more right to the people who disagree, maybe its that part that you don't get.

We have never been in it together, ever. It's just not a concept that works where people come together and be... well, people, yes some have liberal and socialist views but not everyone agrees with it and so you have the cakemix that is the human condition. Society will always have a pyramid structure despite socialist uprisings or liberal protestation. We can't hark back to the golden era of when we were all in it together because it doesn't exists. Haves and have nots is a sad reality that voicing repeated opinion on a golf forum is not going to change.

One other thing, possibly minor, but there are no remainers. The population voted and the result is we are allLEAVERS. No one is remaining. Using the phrase to create a division between people that doesn't actually exist may be one of the factors that has riled some.

Live and let live and move on, we on a golf forum no matter our views or opinions are not going to change what will be. We just have to do the best we can with what we have. Again, that's the sad reality and in my opinion, the sooner people get to grips with that reality, the sooner we can become a united people (and forum) again.

Just my tuppeny'orth.

 

[BubbaP]

I don't really contribute on the political threads but this made me need to reply:


Shouldn't we the GM members get a vote or something to decide if you're actually Out or not?

Made me smile :thup:

Probably time for a cold beer, a few jokes, and remember that the majority are primarily on here because we like playing and talking about things golf related.