JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Why would you leave standing water on the greens (and therefore the course closed for a few more days) and not 'assist' it to dry out by squeegying it off with a lightweight roller?
Water on the greens - what am I missing?
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USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
We are being told that walking on the greens in their current state will cause root shear damage, as the sub soil is still frozen, and the top level is thawed out and very wet. When the water drains away, it will be an indication that the ground has thawed out.
I guess squeegeying them is going to damage them by having the green keepers walk on them.
We are looking at temps on Thursday at the earliest, and may be being on greens Saturday/Sunday, but possibly only Sunday (when I am not playing). Course closed til thursday minimum due to water logging.
I guess squeegeying them is going to damage them by having the green keepers walk on them.
We are looking at temps on Thursday at the earliest, and may be being on greens Saturday/Sunday, but possibly only Sunday (when I am not playing). Course closed til thursday minimum due to water logging.
AmandaJR
Money List Winner
Same story here and makes sense (the shear effect). I'm happy the course is closed tomorrow as the hoards of seniors who missed out last week wouldn't have done it much good
Another trip to the range and then test the swing on Thursday or Friday hopefully as have a semi final pairs match on Sunday.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
We're on temps too. Another range session beckons for me tomorrow although witha lesson booked for Thursday tempted to give it a miss. Off on Friday so hoping the course will be back to full length by then
rosecott
Money List Winner
More ageism creeping in?
Mungoscorner
Journeyman Pro
At least some forward thinking clubs have invested in snow clearing machinery,just a shame my own club isn't one of them.Our course has been closed since the 4th,yet the only snow left on the course since the 6th was on the greens,had the snow that was on the greens have been cleared there would have been no problem with waterlogging.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Yep. The standing water is the indicator (symptom). The problem is that the ground some inches down is still frozen - so green can't drain. Symptom/cause applies elsewhere too.
In this case, when the symptoms go, it does show that the problem has too. 
wull
Tour Rookie
^^^^^^ as they say....
i'm hoping to play a few tomorrow,the weather here has been remarkable.very mild and no snow whatsoever,very rare for up this way.
i'm hoping to play a few tomorrow,the weather here has been remarkable.very mild and no snow whatsoever,very rare for up this way.
If you are desperate for a game you could always go to Eastbourne Park, they cleared the snow off the greens straight away and have been open since last week.
There's no danger of damaging the greens either.
Ask Smiffy - I'm sure he'll know why.
There's no danger of damaging the greens either.
Ask Smiffy - I'm sure he'll know why.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
If you are desperate for a game you could always go to Eastbourne Park, they cleared the snow off the greens straight away and have been open since last week.
There's no danger of damaging the greens either.
Ask Smiffy - I'm sure he'll know why.
I can't say that I've ever had the dubious pleasure of playing there....
AmandaJR
Money List Winner
No - just the volume of foot traffic plus those ride on buggy things wouldn't be the best idea if the course is still recovering.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Yep. The standing water is the indicator (symptom). The problem is that the ground some inches down is still frozen - so green can't drain. Symptom/cause applies elsewhere too.
OK, so what if the water drains then there's a cold snap.. is the ground then not frozen?
Also if there's a big puddle on a green isn't that an indicator that the SLOPE has fed water down to it and really has no bearing on what's going on underneath, besides... what about the rest of the green that isn't flooded? Is that suddenly declared to be 'defrosted'?
In my own opinion (not a qualified greenkeeper of course) it seems stupid to leave snow and water on them in the first place... a leafblower would probably do the trick in most cases... or suck the water up or use flippin' blotting paper if necessary
I don't see how a couple of green keepers walking carefully with rollers is going to destroy anything at all, let's face it they'll be driving grass cutters over it in a couple of days. They seem to have an excuse for anything if it helps them do nothing.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
OK, so what if the water drains then there's a cold snap.. is the ground then not frozen?
Also if there's a big puddle on a green isn't that an indicator that the SLOPE has fed water down to it and really has no bearing on what's going on underneath, besides... what about the rest of the green that isn't flooded? Is that suddenly declared to be 'defrosted'?
In my own opinion (not a qualified greenkeeper of course) it seems stupid to leave snow and water on them in the first place... a leafblower would probably do the trick in most cases... or suck the water up or use flippin' blotting paper if necessary
I don't see how a couple of green keepers walking carefully with rollers is going to destroy anything at all, let's face it they'll be driving grass cutters over it in a couple of days. They seem to have an excuse for anything if it helps them do nothing.
Blimey James. You've only been a member a week and you're moaning already!
I hope they don't ditch the SKY TV or else there will be a mass exodus!
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
the guys at westerham were blowing the snow off the greens with blowers a few weeks back, i thought it was a good idea as the greens wasnt that bad and it was only a light covering, the fairways had already defrosted.
Bratty
Princess Pouty (Queen of Fish Lips)
Yeah, that's because it's a decent course....!
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Yeah, that's because it's a decent course....!
but their choice in prospective committee members leaves a bit to the imagination. I think its because my mate has just took over as head green keeper, but im bias.
Mungoscorner
Journeyman Pro
The problem is the snow covering melted,which saturated the greens and was unable to drain naturally because the sub soil had frozen.A lot of forward thinking course's are now removing snow from there greens,not only does this stop the symptoms/problems we've had over the last couple of weeks,it also reduces the chances of fungal disease's such as Fusarium,as snow acts as an insulator which actually promotes disease.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Same story here and makes sense (the shear effect). I'm happy the course is closed tomorrow as the hoards of seniors who missed out last week wouldn't have done it much good
Another trip to the range and then test the swing on Thursday or Friday hopefully as have a semi final pairs match on Sunday.
And Women, or even worse Senior Women (They do have those as well)
Ours have the pins on the aprons which seems fine (Not talking about women here)
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
So you're saying you should get the snow off asap.... is that written anywhere?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Also not a greenkeeper, so not qualified to advise
but have spoken with our Head GK a few times. Our greens were hit by Pink Snow Mould (Fusarium) last year and had a bout of it in the Autumn too. He stated that he was hoping for a cold Winter to kill the spores and would be taking the snow off the greens asap - even risking some damage - for the same reason. That doesn't apply everywhere and snow actually insulates the grass as well. I believe the problem this year is that while there was a relatively small amount of snow, the constant low temps have made/kept the ground frozen for quite a while!
And if you think this is bad, have some sympathy for the nerves of farmers who have to harvest crops in iffy weather!
