Water and Lateral Combined

[Sam]

Appreciate comments on the following please.
Image shows 9th hole, tee bottom middle. 200x from tee to point A and about 220x from A to green. OOB all down right side to protect 6th tee and 5th green. The bottom red line I have drawn is lateral for the 5th hole. The top red line is lateral for the 9th.
Yellow line is water hazard.

1. If 2nd shot from point A goes in water in area defined by 9th lateral and the black line I have drawn, we take this as lateral because it has crossed the 'sticky-out bit' of land at the south of the 9th lateral. Is this correct please?
2. Although frowned upon, a tee shot direct to the green cutting out the right dog-leg is possible. What is the penalty if landing in the lake bounded by the 2 laterals?
3. Are laterals specific to a hole or are they still laterals when straying from another hole?

 

[bobmac]

Ask the pro attached to the club

 

[birdieman]

Point 1 - I think you are correct, it's where it first crosses the lateral water hazard.

Point 2 - If you land in the lake with your second you can retake the shot with a penalty drop, you could take a 2 clublength penalty drop from where ball first crossed hazard boundary (red stakes), you could take a line through the ball-flag line back to find relief (only if you are sure you know where the ball is -not easy under water!) or most likely the club will provide a dropping zone for this scenario if trying to hit the green in 2 is a popular shot! You would also get a penalty shot for dropping in the drop zone.

Point 3 - laterals would count from any hole I believe, if there are red stakes its a lateral water hazard no matter how you cross it. A local rule on back of card might say otherwise.


ps that's a very green lake! If it was blue we could understand the picture better1

 

[viscount17]

point 1 - isn't the extent of a lateral that between the red posts, so can a lateral only be bounded on one side
not sure (so help!)

point 2. If I read this correctly, you have gone into the lake below the green straight off the tee? If so aren't you OOB and 3 off the tee?

 

[Sam]

Perhaps the following clearer - sorry about the colour of the lake!
If Blue arrow is a second shot, seem to be agreed that drop is where marked as an example. Anything right of that example not crossing the lateral markers would then be ordinary water hazard.
Browny orange arrow is tee shot and I suppose the question is which has primacy, OOB or lateral hazard?

 

[SammmeBee]

I would say the hazards are wrongly marked and say that only the top line should be lateral (red) the other lower line yellow....otherwise you can hit it into the 'lake' going straight at the green and then get a drop pretty much on the fairway as from a lateral (red) hazard you can drop from a point equidistant on the other side....

 

[SammmeBee]

Perhaps the following clearer - sorry about the colour of the lake!
If Blue arrow is a second shot, seem to be agreed that drop is where marked as an example. Anything right of that example not crossing the lateral markers would then be ordinary water hazard.
Browny orange arrow is tee shot and I suppose the question is which has primacy, OOB or lateral hazard?

Marked as they are then you can drop where you have indicated for both shots....now I see the OOB line then really it should be OOB all the way up to the green then there is no option but to play left as you would be OOB as you have not crossed the margin of the hazard so you are technically not in it - and everyone on the 5th much happier!!