WGC2
Club Champion
Looking for a new 60 degree MD Norman Drew wedge. Post details and picture here please.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Wanted : MD Norman Drew 60 degree wedge
- Thread starter WGC2
- Start date
Parmo
Tour Winner
So our advice fell on deaf ears then? Give it a go but dont be surprised if it adds shots to your round, I was once given this advice years ago, middle of the green is safer than leaving it in a bunker.
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
But of course that's alldown to course management & with bad course management & choosing the wrong club for the shot rather than the bag.
Ironically I for one am more likely to bunker a sandwedge or a pitching wedge, iron shot than a 60' lobwedge shot by trying to be cute.
Just as equally I'd say middle of the green with the right club is much better than than off the other side with too much club.
Sometimes chickening out & taking that extra club can either be short or long, due to the wrong touch, or too narrow a landing area for that extra club to give sufficient stop. with either nerves or addrenalin.
Leave the guy alone, if he's happy with 60' then let him. The fact you are not is your buisiness & your mental problem with the game, because someone planted the seeds of doubt in your mind about a club. Mind games from playing partners we play against is bad enough without anyone else trying to mess with our minds. A lob wedge may be a high percentage club for some, but only those without confidence in that club. Lumping all amatures in the same way is like treating red blue & green as the same colour, just because they are each part of the same spectrum of light... blinkered at best.
Best advice, be confident with your club selection & shot choice & its more likely to come off than if we have doubt. Always commit to the shot.
cernunnos, everyone is different I agree (spice of life and all that) but I believe you need to work up to certain skill levels so you never bite off more than you can chew.
Imagine a 28 handicapper as a learner driver, you want them to learn and prosper from taking things easily and advancing when you are confident, giving them a porsche isnt going to make them a better driver.
Sorry for the ropey similie I just dont get how a 28 handicapper can be any good with a lob wedge if they still need 28 extra shots to get round the course, find the cause of the problem first. The lob wedge is a finesse club which you only move to when you need to shave off smaller increments of your scores. Does your driving always make the fairways? are your middle irons generally hitting the greens, if not fix that first then your reliance on a lob wedge will decrease and its space in the bag could be replaced with a utility club instead.
There is no point in me saying yea go for it just to give the young guy backing for something which a majority of times will lead to a very average shot at best.
Imagine a 28 handicapper as a learner driver, you want them to learn and prosper from taking things easily and advancing when you are confident, giving them a porsche isnt going to make them a better driver.
Sorry for the ropey similie I just dont get how a 28 handicapper can be any good with a lob wedge if they still need 28 extra shots to get round the course, find the cause of the problem first. The lob wedge is a finesse club which you only move to when you need to shave off smaller increments of your scores. Does your driving always make the fairways? are your middle irons generally hitting the greens, if not fix that first then your reliance on a lob wedge will decrease and its space in the bag could be replaced with a utility club instead.
There is no point in me saying yea go for it just to give the young guy backing for something which a majority of times will lead to a very average shot at best.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Whilst I agree that you can't bracket handicap groups and say x group shouldn't use a particular club (or shaft flex), As a higher handicap player Cernunnos, you seem amazingly confident with every club in the bag, and clearly believe you exhibit good course management.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I am puzzled as to why your h/cap remains high? You seem to be amazed that a few of the lower h/cap players on here are loath to take on some of the shots you take for granted. I am struggling to understand.
Oh, and WGC2, sorry to Jack your post, and good luck with the search, but it is worth reading a new thread re: MD Wedges and bounce started up in the lounge. You are choosing a difficult club for winter golf, unless your course drains well.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I am puzzled as to why your h/cap remains high? You seem to be amazed that a few of the lower h/cap players on here are loath to take on some of the shots you take for granted. I am struggling to understand.
Oh, and WGC2, sorry to Jack your post, and good luck with the search, but it is worth reading a new thread re: MD Wedges and bounce started up in the lounge. You are choosing a difficult club for winter golf, unless your course drains well.
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
actully I've had problems with most clubs at various points. Though I know when I started playing the one thing I was good at were the finness shots, when driving & cerrtain other things were not brilliant. My putter & wedges would get me out of more trouble than anything else.
And it was only when people who thought they knew better planted the seeds of doubt in my mind, that my short game suffered. I even went through a very bad spate with my putter, which was deadly at one point, which would make up for the fact my driver was never really that good.
Again though its people planting seeds of doubt in new pklayers that is the main problem most beginners & high handicappers have, if enough people tell them there will be a probelem with something even when they have not seen that person play, then the subconcious thought is there.
I wont say I'm brilliant at anything all the time, but I've been told my technical knowledge is second to none, its simply a case of putting it into action. My pro has actually stopped telling me what to do & instead now reverses it. In that If I were to suggest a solution to a problem, then what would it be... Like he did last time I went for a lesson, as bassically over the last year we've been revisiting old faults that have crept back into my game, as I've not played as much as I should over this year .
My main problem I've had though is that I can now get too technical & it gets in the way of instinct & induces nerves, my biggest enemy on the course.
Driver I've usually always been fairly long with it, though it is perhaps the other high percentage club in the bag & the one Myself & my pro worked on last time we had a lesson.
Its no good being long when accuracy with it can at times be suspect, best left in the bag unless its safe to risk being off-line.
I have a big problem with clubs that have lots of bounce so sand wedges in most sets can be a problem for me.
In reality any club in the bag for a high handicap player can be a problem, but the killers forany player are. Nerves & letting a swing get quick. overswinging, meaning club re-routing is an issue, again all down to nerves & adrenelin.
again because I allowed myself to get too technical my touch with the putter has been disturbed & even had the yips for over six months. Infact it struck today again part way through my round & had to stop my putter swing, before I came through on a number of occasion, dueto involintary movements.
If anything in some ways because of all the bagage other amatuer & even pro players have placed in my mind I now probably have more problems than when I started even though technically my swing & many other things are a lot better. My touch now several yers later is nothing near as good as when I started yet my scores & distances to some extent are better.
This is why I had a major outburse against brendy, for trying to lump mental bagage on WGC2
And it was only when people who thought they knew better planted the seeds of doubt in my mind, that my short game suffered. I even went through a very bad spate with my putter, which was deadly at one point, which would make up for the fact my driver was never really that good.
Again though its people planting seeds of doubt in new pklayers that is the main problem most beginners & high handicappers have, if enough people tell them there will be a probelem with something even when they have not seen that person play, then the subconcious thought is there.
I wont say I'm brilliant at anything all the time, but I've been told my technical knowledge is second to none, its simply a case of putting it into action. My pro has actually stopped telling me what to do & instead now reverses it. In that If I were to suggest a solution to a problem, then what would it be... Like he did last time I went for a lesson, as bassically over the last year we've been revisiting old faults that have crept back into my game, as I've not played as much as I should over this year .
My main problem I've had though is that I can now get too technical & it gets in the way of instinct & induces nerves, my biggest enemy on the course.
Driver I've usually always been fairly long with it, though it is perhaps the other high percentage club in the bag & the one Myself & my pro worked on last time we had a lesson.
Its no good being long when accuracy with it can at times be suspect, best left in the bag unless its safe to risk being off-line.
I have a big problem with clubs that have lots of bounce so sand wedges in most sets can be a problem for me.
In reality any club in the bag for a high handicap player can be a problem, but the killers forany player are. Nerves & letting a swing get quick. overswinging, meaning club re-routing is an issue, again all down to nerves & adrenelin.
again because I allowed myself to get too technical my touch with the putter has been disturbed & even had the yips for over six months. Infact it struck today again part way through my round & had to stop my putter swing, before I came through on a number of occasion, dueto involintary movements.
If anything in some ways because of all the bagage other amatuer & even pro players have placed in my mind I now probably have more problems than when I started even though technically my swing & many other things are a lot better. My touch now several yers later is nothing near as good as when I started yet my scores & distances to some extent are better.
This is why I had a major outburse against brendy, for trying to lump mental bagage on WGC2
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I can see where you are coming from now (nice well constructed answer by the way, and thanks for not just kicking off). I also have a tendancy to think too much, suffer from nerves, and also the yips. Although these can get in the way, there is no reason why you can't get down to a lowish h/cap even with these issues. Keep at it.
Everyone I know can think too much, blaming it on people offering advice is wrong, they dont make you hit the ball/club. I am offering advice BEFORE he has even got the club, perhaps he will be like myself and buy one, try it, practice with it, then give up and sell it on realising that a 56 degree does 95% of what a lob wedge does anyway.
WGC came on here asking advice on this subject not that long ago, the majority of advice was to stick with what he has.
If in doubt, speak to a pro, we can all give our e-pinions and say this and that. Personally, the only fact I am sure of is that when I was playing of 6 when I joined my new club, the 60 degree wedge was well used on the range but failed to perform on the course. My stats spoke for themselves and it was sold on.
WGC fella, if you really want one go for it, but be prepared for a bit of heartache along the way, the practice required to make it a great club (for that once or twice a round you will actually use it) will mean a great deal of time wasted giving your putter and short irons the attention they deserve(putter alone gets used 30+times a round not to mention pitching and chipping).
Its entirely up to you, speak to a pro (s)he will be best qualified to advise.
WGC came on here asking advice on this subject not that long ago, the majority of advice was to stick with what he has.
If in doubt, speak to a pro, we can all give our e-pinions and say this and that. Personally, the only fact I am sure of is that when I was playing of 6 when I joined my new club, the 60 degree wedge was well used on the range but failed to perform on the course. My stats spoke for themselves and it was sold on.
WGC fella, if you really want one go for it, but be prepared for a bit of heartache along the way, the practice required to make it a great club (for that once or twice a round you will actually use it) will mean a great deal of time wasted giving your putter and short irons the attention they deserve(putter alone gets used 30+times a round not to mention pitching and chipping).
Its entirely up to you, speak to a pro (s)he will be best qualified to advise.
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
Yes "Murph",... my issues are to be quite frank nearly all mental ones & essentially my pro has told me I really ought to be playing at a lot lower handicap than I am. Infact he once told me I ought to be playing off scratch considering what I know & know how to do. Though to be honest I think scratch is maybe a bit adventurous... I'd be happy with 14, or high single figures, if I ever sort out my mental fears.
"Brendy"... And as I say... For anyone to say to any beginner or high handicapper, oh you'll never use that, that some will come out with can be with some influence how they subconciously aproach a club. if you are afraid of the club in your hands then you will fail before you even start, if you feel confident & calm or relaxed with the club in your hands anyone can produce a good shot with any club. I was playing golf with someone yesterday that made my missus look like a good player, but by the end of the round, we'd started to get him producing reasonably struck shots, even though he was still all arms & no body or legs in the swing At least he was calmer with his swing which lost its frantic panic it had started with. He was over the moon with on the last hole only being a double bogey finish. For him its like getting a birdie or an eagle. He took a 60' out of his bag onone hole & allwe had to say to him was make sure you get some sand with the shot, now even though he was obviously a little at odds more with the bunker than with the club, he produced a lovely bunker shot... classic infact & he's a complete & real hacker.
"Brendy". Its each to their own & the OP may or may not get on with 60 degree. But if he doesn't try one how will he know. Yes a lot can be done with a 56' wedge. But its like saying to someone there is no need for a gap wedge in modern sets.Yes we can manufacture a shot given the skill, but with the correct loft in our hands the job is made simpler, with less need to go changing how open or clossed a clubface is, how farforward or back in the stance to artificially increase or decrease loft etc. It would certainly do alot of us a lot of good to occasionally go out with a few clubs in the bag & practice manufacturing shots, it will certainly help any golfer whether hacker or pro with feel & touch & sheer injinuity of shot making.
Oh & low bounce maybe an issue for some, so if the OP is at all unsure which will suit him, the advice as he is decided on a 60 degree being in the bag is to try several wedges. Maybe even the superstrong MD as well, as I hear that has more bounce on some of its examples. I also congratulate the OP on having the strength of mind to make up his own mind as to what advice to take.
Yes Brendy, best advice any day of the week is see your pro & get advice especially if its where the pro, actually knows what we can & cannot do, or are or are not capable of in actual fact... Putters can be used 30 or in some peoples casses 40 times a round, its statistically a more important club,but if we cant get the ball on the dance floor with the right club in the first place it wouldn't matter if we had 18 putts in a round, we might still be clocking up 100 shots plus a round regardless. Every club in the bag is important & important to get right & right for each & everyone of us as an individual.
Parmo
Tour Winner
Good post Cernunnos. I have taken the plunge and ordered the standard MD Golf Superstrong Cobalt 60* standard for £34 inc postage, if things go well over the next few weeks I may change my wedges to inc a 50* & 54* as well, but we see as I ordered the GW to compliment my FP's.
Cernunnos, you obviously have strong feelings about this subject so i'll let it drop (plus, I cant keep reading the essays in work! I have to get some work done 
)
Any other club Id wholeheartedly recommend giving a bash, with the 60 degree, it has such a narrow margin for error its the hardest club in the bag to hit, including the driver, its main job is distance, the 60 has to be well judged for lie, length and line, its not a club to be scared off, it just needs an awful lot of practice as phil mickleson would attest.
Anyway, if he buys one and gives it the time it needs on the range, excellent, Ill be the first to congratulate him on it. Nothing in golf should be scarey, I used to shank a fair bit when i was playing badly, now I dont fear the hozzle, it happens once in every blue moon now but when it does, I analyse it and make sure it doesnt happen again, practice has fixed that.
) Any other club Id wholeheartedly recommend giving a bash, with the 60 degree, it has such a narrow margin for error its the hardest club in the bag to hit, including the driver, its main job is distance, the 60 has to be well judged for lie, length and line, its not a club to be scared off, it just needs an awful lot of practice as phil mickleson would attest.
Anyway, if he buys one and gives it the time it needs on the range, excellent, Ill be the first to congratulate him on it. Nothing in golf should be scarey, I used to shank a fair bit when i was playing badly, now I dont fear the hozzle, it happens once in every blue moon now but when it does, I analyse it and make sure it doesnt happen again, practice has fixed that.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
It could be worse, he could have bought a 64°, these really are difficult to be consistent with.
You could have your own eye out with one of those!
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Or get a ball wedged up a nostril if you're not careful.
forefortheday
Tour Rookie
Got one at 64 degrees it's great fun, only problem I have is the same with all clubs, one in the air one on the floor.
Very useful for 30-50 yards out with an obstacle in your way.
Very useful for 30-50 yards out with an obstacle in your way.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
That's your head, not an obstacle.
Put mine in the wheelie bin last sunday, along with two old 1 irons.
Put mine in the wheelie bin last sunday, along with two old 1 irons.
forefortheday
Tour Rookie
Actually Murph my head is in proportion
Now my ears are a different matter
Now my ears are a different matter
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
Rofl
If you try opening up a 64 degree or hitting one off an uphill lay its certainly one possibility.
I've got a 64 degree, which I used very effectively when I first started for bunker & where there was a narrow landing zone involved, but quite happy to let it for the moment sit under the stairs, as really unless I'm going to go visiting courses with lots of pot bunkers the 60 degree is more than sufficient, not to mention can get more distance on occasion.
Today in these very damp (well torrential rain, sleet & occasionally snow) conditions only used the 60' out of bunkers where needed & the 9 iron wedge & 56' closser in.
Even hit 9 iron out of one fairway trap to land next to the pin, even got 4ft of backspin.... never done that before. Just a pity I missed the birdie putt.
Best of luck to those who have decided on their respective wedges :thumbsup:
Cernunnos
Journeyman Pro
Cernunnos, you obviously have strong feelings about this subject so i'll let it drop (plus, I cant keep reading the essays in work! I have to get some work done
Rofl... I think we both know what we're each on about. And to a great extent we actually agree. Yeah, I was nearly late for my tee time I got quite wrapped up in writing my essay... rofl.
Not to mention I've a 12hour nightshift to start at 6pm.
Was let down today with my usually safest club in the bag.. my 3 wood... go figure. Best clubs in the bag today 4 iron, 9 iron & 56'. Infact I could (probably should) have playe with 4iron 9 iron, 56' & putter. Still 30 points off the works 24 handicap wasn't too bad, especially blobbing 1st, 9th, 17th & 18th (couldn't feel my hands after the 13th hole it was so cold & wet.
