Chisteve
Head Pro
I'm playing there next week - any tips please
I'm playing there next week - any tips please
Olly was trying to cross the road at The US Open qualifying, and he got halfway across before Smiffy waylaid him. We nearly lost two great golfers in one road accident.![]()
Most dangerous road I have had to cross was the one at Copthorne before they put the traffic lights in. 50 mph speed limit, and you could never get straight over, but would have to take your chances in the middle of the road.Road at Liphook not great either, and the lady Captain got killed crossing that road a few years back.
Walton Heath is a lovely place to play golf so enjoy the day.:thup:
As others have said, stay out of the heather!If you do go in it, play a provisional! If you find it in heather, find the nearest piece of fairway and recover to that!
And indeed, watch out crossing that road!
Bunkers are pretty consistent, but they are normally (deliberately) a thin covering of sand on top of hard packed base.
The practice green is reasonable close to speed and characteristics. There is no range (that isn't miles away) but there is a 'warm-up shed' with a couple of nets. Chipping area isn't great (newish and not well maintained) and the practice bunker is not typical!
Lines/hints for The Old that might help - the ones that are not obvious.
1st Worth noting that green slopes front to back. A 4 here is pretty acceptable.
2nd (Dogleg right) Middle of Fairway is furthest right you should aim, otherwise you will be blocked out. There's a 'blue' Xmas tree mid-left that is a good line for normal hitters or the left limit for big hitters. Don't tee off until you see the group in front emerge from the dip! There's a swale in front of green that can catch a short shot, but you can putt from off the green - as you can on most of the holes (part of the 'inland links design'). This Green is pretty typical of all (but maybe 18 as it's 'new') from here - large, pretty flat (except a couple) with subtle breaks.
3rd Driver can get you into trouble! Rarely actually worth going for Green off the tee. Be right of the white post that is on left of Green. A 170yd shot, typically a Rescue is fine - though there's a sneaky bunker at about 220-ish, but plays shorter, left of that post.
4th About 250 to the bunker that's in the middle of the fairway - and remember that, continuing the 'inland links' theme, there's often lots of fairway run. Left of it works best normally and has a betterview/line to green. Another swale in front of green.
5th Drive to Middle to Right half of fairway. Left rough often lost ball - if found, don't be greedy! Fairway works! Too far right off tee will be in bunker (beside the mound) or through into semi (which is fine) or heather - a little 'unfair' but you have been warned! Buried Elephant Green! If the pin is left, then huge risk attacking it - as evil bunker waiting!
6th Pretty obvious, but the line is normally the Shelter behind the Green. If you can carry both bunkers on left (260-ish carry), then it's a doddle! But left is junk/lost and right is heather/lost! Green has a couple of evil breaks that are well disguised - middle-mid-frontish and middle-left.
At this point, the last of the 'inland links' features - the sound of the sea (that is the M25!) - should be audible!
7th Another 'swale in front of green' but if short, you will probable be chipping. If there's a breeze, check the flag as that's the important one and it's often different to what is happening on the tee!
That concludes the toughest first 7 holes I know! I've been 7 over and very happy to have 'scored well' a couple of times - and even finished under handicap after that once!
8th 2nd Fairway Bunker is the line. Left works better than right for the 2nd as it avoids bunkers and junk. Right greenside (under/around tree) means an 'impossible' shot! Better to be in the bunker. Hole is actually deceptively uphill and breeze can really hit, so check treetops and club up accordingly!
9th Dogleg left. Often Driver is too much club. The pair of pine trees mid-left is the line. Receptive green, though landing short and running on can actually go through! Putting from fringe, or even from slope at back, isn't a big deal though.
10th Middle of fairway (or tallest tree in distance) is good line (just avoid the bunker on left). Too far right can mean recovery only option or 'interesting' shot from a grass-bunker! Unless pin is at back, Green is flatter than it looks!
11th Take plenty of club! Greenside bunkers are deep and ball often rolls to face! Much more break front to back than it looks!
12th Right Angle Dogleg Right. Lone Silver Birch is the line - normally 200-220yd shot. There's a bunker right to avoid (and you must carry to fairway of course). I's not worth taking on any more distance, as risky and it actually makes the shot into the green more difficult. Don't even consider going for the green! Green often surprisingly quick, so can often bounce short and run on - but avoid the 2 bunkers on right. Very tricky green (for me!) - generally runs front to back and right to left, but there's an area in back half where those 'clash'!
13 Right Angle Dogleg Right. Left hand Tree of the group of 4 or 5 straight down the fairway is the straight line. Fairway slopes towards the bunkers on the corner, so they can gather balls specially if a breeze! Go round the corner and check out the fairway bunker - that MUST be avoided! Short or left of that is fine (though it does gather). Green runs front to back, so landing short (but avoiding the bunkers) is an option. Not a green to short-side yourself on - except maybe at back.
14. Make sure get the right one - it's straight ahead, like the sign says! Just left of the pin is the line - normally over the right side of the bunker you can see. Actually no need to hit Driver as loads of run, as downhill (and normally downwind). If going for the green in 2, be aware how much (loads) it runs and favour the right - avoiding the Greenside bunker. Another swale in front of green and running balls can go through or off side. Pin normally at not at back - Club Champ position! but it's a very long right to left green.
15. Left half of fairway (or tree in distance) as fairway slopes left to right and loads of bunkers. If you are going to be 'right', be very right as might be on next fairway - but yell Fore! - and it's not a bad line in from there! The bunker that you can see straight ahead is actually 40 yards in front of green - there's 30 yards of fairway after it and in front of green. Nasty left to right green that gets steeper the further right the pin is. Evil bunker greenside bunker right.
16. Middle of the bunker is the line. Club depends on tee, but probably Driver. Fairway slopes right to left. Don't worry if ball is headed toward bunker and disappears as there's a dip. Huge green, mainly left to right, so strategy depends on pin placement. Risk/Reward going for green. If you do, the junk/heather on the left MUST be cleared, but doesn't normally need to be by much as most shots roll out. Avoid the heathery greenside bunker on the right - or in fact anything right of fairway! Typical WH green, though slopes (or lack) are normally obvious.
17. Err (slightly) long - it normally needs at least half a club more than the distance! If you are on the Green, park your bag near the fairway on the left (the 18th) and just take your Putter and Driver - you've earned a rest! Green is remarkably flat (but not quite) except at back (and very front).
18. Gap in the hedge is normal line. That will keep you right of bunkers at 230-ish and 280-ish. There's 20+ yards between the huge cross bunker, that you MUST avoid, and the front of green and there are tricky bunkers left and right. Very often better to lay up short of the cross-bunker than risk it or the others. Up and over green, so missing long (where pin often is) is 'not an option'!
Now careful going back across the road!
Lunch is pretty good, if perhaps not quite absolute top notch - depending on the preferred style. James Braid Room is worth checking out for his deeds and the Boards are pretty impressive too! Beer is ho-hum, Bacon sandwiches are not my style, but coffee is bottomless. Showers are excellent, staff are very good. Shame about having more than there fair share of classic 'old fart' members, but most are fine.
Thank you for taking the time, I will read this over and over until engrained fo the day
Much more then expected
Steve
Foxholer
Played today managed in my rush to get away forget your description !, but remembered a lot.
We played the old course and also inexplicably forgot to buy a course guide
Played pretty well on the front 9 with 18 points not so good on back manged 11 of 23, as you say the greens are massive but I found true mainly
Went completely off on the back nine ho hum
Great course the noise from the M25 is loud, gorse was tough as you say and no hope if entered also found it surprisingly dry only the 1st green was really wet - my ball plugged remaining holes fairly hard
As you say a very traditional club - lots of tweed jackets etc but fine with me, and expensive I understand, luckily for me to be invited to play and a very enjoyable day out
Cheers anyway your description was a great help
Great that you enjoyed it! Forgetting my 'course notes' was probably no bad thing! :rofl:
It's Heather btw. though there is a bit of gorse about - and competing with the heather. Course does indeed drain well - as do most heather the past few yearsnd courses. There has been a huge amount of sand put on the greens over the last few years and it really seems to have paid off - they were running at 13 for a couple of weeks in June/July!
Apparently not all that expensive sub, but not sure about the joining fee - and there's probably a bit of rigmarole involved too! The couple of mates I know who are full members joined as juniors many years ago.
Great scoring on the front 9 btw. That's normally the tougher 9, but occasionally the effort on that can mean that the back bites more than would be expected!
If you enjoyed the heather experience, try a day, with Lunch, at Hankley Common!![]()
Apparently not all that expensive sub, but not sure about the joining fee - and there's probably a bit of rigmarole involved too! The couple of mates I know who are full members joined as juniors many years ago.
I heard we had some Walton Heath members play at my Club recently. They played in plus fours, tweed jackets, socks with garters. Their clubs were hickory shafted and they had old leather pencils bags. Hopefully they got home in their horse and carriage.![]()
Depends on the time of day, but WH is worse than Copthorne imo. Tyrells Wood (I presume) looks a bit dodgy too!