This is the thing - I'm not an expert at all but it just seems so obvious that there would be advantages to having had a male skeleton and muscle density?? Where is the research on this? Is it proving inconclusive or are people scared to do the research in the first place for fear of being called transphobic? We need answers sooner rather than later as the issue is getting bigger all the time. I'm just surprised if nobody is out there trying to prove conclusively if it's fair or not, because otherwise we're just having the same conversation every time a trans boxer, weightlifter or swimmer turns up.
Transgender Swimmer - should she be allowed to compete
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i think theyre us college numbers
Male to female doesn't sit with me. Imagine boxing?
Female to male I don't see any issue with however.
Female to male I don't see any issue with however.
The point as far as I see it though is that the wider argument is not being based on sporting performance but rather on a person's right to compete as the gender that they define themselves as. Emotive argument but one that does not take into account any form of parity in the world of sport, in fact, those that have competed so far are being put forward as trailblazers for the cause of transgender rights. All well and good until the events that they compete in wither due to lack fo competition and interest.
This is a question with no correct answer. Everyone should have the right to live and compete as their chosen gender, no issue with that but then the current, born female athletes have a right to compete on a level playing field but is is victimising transgender athletes to put them in a separate category. As I said, no answer but it is one area that needs to be debated between interested parties and groups but it has to be clear that these debates are based on nothing other than performance advantage. The problem is that these debates cannot happen as, just as soon as someone puts across a vald point, the more militant members of groups look ot have the them cancelled for having a contrary opinion.
This is a question with no correct answer. Everyone should have the right to live and compete as their chosen gender, no issue with that but then the current, born female athletes have a right to compete on a level playing field but is is victimising transgender athletes to put them in a separate category. As I said, no answer but it is one area that needs to be debated between interested parties and groups but it has to be clear that these debates are based on nothing other than performance advantage. The problem is that these debates cannot happen as, just as soon as someone puts across a vald point, the more militant members of groups look ot have the them cancelled for having a contrary opinion.
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No.
Unless they just do what they did for the Brit Awards and remove gender categories completely.
Unless they just do what they did for the Brit Awards and remove gender categories completely.
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Or Brianna Dechambeau in womens long drive.
I’m no biologist. But Men and Women are built differently. From skeletal down to eyesight perception. There’s a reason why a lady half will see the butter in the fridge and not you.
Absolute no from me.
I’m no biologist. But Men and Women are built differently. From skeletal down to eyesight perception. There’s a reason why a lady half will see the butter in the fridge and not you.
Absolute no from me.
Men race against men
Women race against women
Trans race against trans
QED
Women race against women
Trans race against trans
QED
Listen to this podcast (9 minutes).
I think people should be careful about how they answer this question. Will leave you open to claims of transphobia, sexism, etc and lead to you being cancelled - just refer to JK Rowling
If you choose to change gender then you should compete in the appropriate trans gender category against similar athletes.
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Meanwhile, Caster Semenya is banned.... Sports got a long way to go on this one...
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No, for all the reasons already stated about biological advantages ... but I'll say one thing for you guys...
I've been on another forum that had this same discussion and it very quickly descended into homophobia/transphobia/anti-woke BS! It's really nice to see that this has provoked genuine, well-considered responses. 👍
I've been on another forum that had this same discussion and it very quickly descended into homophobia/transphobia/anti-woke BS! It's really nice to see that this has provoked genuine, well-considered responses. 👍
Must say never seen the forum this United 🤣🤣
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I’m not sure this is the place to get a contrary opinion. I’ll fully admit to not understanding all of the issues but if I had daughters I wouldn’t be happy about them competing vs a trans athlete. Especially in a contact sport
