Tom Murray - You Plonker!

[Jacko_G]

https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/...r-q-school-after-signing-incorrect-scorecard/

Seriously?

I do genuinely feel for the lad and can't even begin to think what it will do to him but to get that wrong at that level when it means so much is just incredible. Two fantastic rounds under his belt as well. Why is he not double and triple checking every score against his own card/record before signing? Came agonisingly close to securing his card through the Challenge Tour, now this kick in the teeth. He wont make that mistake again!

 

[Wolf]

Was listening to him on the cut Podcast last week, he was really looking forward to this week and though he had a good chance. Goes to show reason why you should at least double check twice on scorecards innocent mistake has cost him dearly, but seems to be accepting of it. Even harder though when you realize he missed a full fledged playing ET card by 604 euros

 

[inc0gnito]

How did he make the mistake in the first place?

Did he and his caddie not count together, or was there a penalty he forgot about?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The total number of shots was correct, but two individual holes weren’t, one too high & one too low.

 

[robinthehood]

@Orikoru @Sweep

I guess this is ok too ? No advantage gained after all...

 

[Garush34]

I can feel for him missing out on the season, as it is likely the case of one shot here or there that meant he missed his card. But the not checking of the card correctly at his level and the fact its not like his first event, I feel no sympathy. Its the basics and he should be getting it checked over and comparing with his caddy.

 

[Orikoru]

@Orikoru @Sweep

I guess this is ok too ? No advantage gained after all...

Putting the wrong scores on the card is a pretty basic error mate. I won't be defending him for this one. If he writes a 3 instead of a 4 then he has gained an advantage on that hole.

 

[robinthehood]

Putting the wrong scores on the card is a pretty basic error mate. I won't be defending him for this one. If he writes a 3 instead of a 4 then he has gained an advantage on that hole.

But his overall score was correct so how are you differentiating this from the bunker raking thread. Neither player gained an advantage.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm listening to him at the moment on the current Cut podcast. Comes across as a decent bloke and this is a great shame for him.

 

[Imurg]

To get one score wrong is careless - to do it twice in the same round is just bloody stupid!

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Wow,

How can you not check and recheck and recheck again when the stakes are so high!

This is just basic stuff.

 

[Orikoru]

But his overall score was correct so how are you differentiating this from the bunker raking thread. Neither player gained an advantage.

Don't be stupid. They are not even remotely similar. One guy raked a bunker he hadn't even gone in out of courtesy. The other guy has made a fundamental error by writing the wrong scores on his card!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Don't be stupid. They are not even remotely similar. One guy raked a bunker he hadn't even gone in out of courtesy. The other guy has made a fundamental error by writing the wrong scores on his card!

The point he was trying to make is

They are both rule breaks as set out in the ROG and both rule breaks the player gained “no advantage “ - so you can see the point he is making.

 

[Orikoru]

The point he was trying to make is

They are both rule breaks as set out in the ROG and both rule breaks the player gained “no advantage “ - so you can see the point he is making.

No, his 'point' was to try and be a smart-arse and suggest that all rules are equal and sacred when they're just not. Obviously you can gain an advantage by writing the wrong bloody score on your card.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No, his 'point' was to try and be a smart-arse and suggest that all rules are equal and sacred when they're just not. Obviously you can gain an advantage by writing the wrong bloody score on your card.

Yep you have missed the point

You can “gain” an advantage on a lot of rule breaks and can also not gain an advantage- you deemed the other rule break silly because the player didn’t gain an advantage- just like this Player didn’t gain an advantage.

The fact though is a rule break is treated in the same way regardless of an advantage gained or not.

 

[Wolf]

With regards to no advantage comments. It's true he didn't gain advantage as he signed for same overall score, but he did have the wrong scores in wrong holes.

I think for me the difference is and why is is the correct ruling is that its there literally in black and white in his scorecards with the wrong numbers on wrong holes, as a result there is physical proof of the error, whereas BunkerGate was more about interpretation.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Another silly rule

Have to feel for the poor guy.

That said in this day and age, with technology, golf needs to get its act into gear, whereby these checks are done by computer before confirming the score, so that this never happens. Just amazing that golf is so stuck in yester year on this.

Reflects poorly on golf IIRC and just sounds silly to Mr Public.

PS Yes I know the rules are the rules and not disputing that, just that golf needs to lift its game to ensure it does not come across as a silly game with silly situations unfolding, when it does not need to.

 

[Imurg]

No, his 'point' was to try and be a smart-arse and suggest that all rules are equal and sacred when they're just not. Obviously you can gain an advantage by writing the wrong bloody score on your card.

So you're ok with writing down wrong scores but not with raking a bunker when you shouldn't...
He didn't gain an advantage with the scores because he got 2 wrong - I over and 1 under.
The total was the same. Surely that's a similar "daft" rule to the bunker raking....
All rules are equal
You may not agree with them but you can't ignore them

 

[Orikoru]

Yep you have missed the point

You can “gain” an advantage on a lot of rule breaks and can also not gain an advantage- you deemed the other rule break silly because the player didn’t gain an advantage- just like this Player didn’t gain an advantage.

The fact though is a rule break is treated in the same way regardless of an advantage gained or not.

Yeah, which is nonsense, as we discussed before. Not related to this topic though.

 

[Orikoru]

So you're ok with writing down wrong scores but not with raking a bunker when you shouldn't...
He didn't gain an advantage with the scores because he got 2 wrong - I over and 1 under.
The total was the same. Surely that's a similar "daft" rule to the bunker raking....
All rules are equal
You may not agree with them but you can't ignore them

Obviously he has to write the correct bloody scores down, that's schoolboy stuff. It's not in the same ballpark as raking a bunker you never went in. The two incidents are chalk and cheese. Let's move on shall we?