bobmac
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1. What would you like to happen next?
2. Do you think it will happen?
2. Do you think it will happen?
To those who voted to stay in the EU..........
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1. A trade deal to ensure that the country still has full access to the EU single market , allow free movement for our workers and students to be able to work freely within the EU
2. I think a deal will be struck with the EU to continue within the Single Trade EU , it will cost the Nation the same as before in financial terms and also freedom of movement - the only thing we won't do is apply a couple of the laws that some didn't like ( but had minimal affect )!
2. I think a deal will be struck with the EU to continue within the Single Trade EU , it will cost the Nation the same as before in financial terms and also freedom of movement - the only thing we won't do is apply a couple of the laws that some didn't like ( but had minimal affect )!
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
1] Scotland to become an independent country within the EU.
2] Within two years
2] Within two years
1. That our politicians grow up and start behaving like intelligent responsible people... oh well, never mind.
2. No. There's too much self-interest in the majority of politicians, irrespective of which parliament they are in.
3. Long terms, I expect that just like the Irish and Danish referendums over the Lisbon Treaty the EU will offer something and there'll be a second referendum. We'll stay in, and the hedge fund managers and currency speculators will have made a fortune.
2. No. There's too much self-interest in the majority of politicians, irrespective of which parliament they are in.
3. Long terms, I expect that just like the Irish and Danish referendums over the Lisbon Treaty the EU will offer something and there'll be a second referendum. We'll stay in, and the hedge fund managers and currency speculators will have made a fortune.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
1. New pm calls a general election rather than triggering article 50. Labour, lib dems, greens, SNP form an anti-brexit coalition and win the election. Brexit gets cancelled.
2. I doubt it!
2. I doubt it!
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Likewise, I will add though that for no 2 that the SNP will try and force another independence referendum which will be knocked back by Westminster until separation from the EU. Then we will likely see that referendum with Scotland voting for independence with many barriers in our way like mo currency union no EU membership for at least 10 years. This IMO would force Scotland into a state of economic turmoil with a devalued currency (whatever it may be), hindered by trade barriers. .
One Planer
Global Moderator
Do you think an independent Scotland is financially viable with no EU membership?
Is 10 years too long to wait?
louise_a
Money List Winner
I would like to think that sense will be seen before it is too late and the whole stupid idea gets scrapped after all it was voted for by a minority of the electorate.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
1 - Yes, BUT it depends on trade agreements and what currency union we have
2 - If EU membership is on the cards then yes, 10 years is too long.
People massively underestimate Scotlands ability to trade, it's not just the oil inductry we have. Scotland could afford to be self sufficient, we have enough in oil, whisky, fishing, forestry, tourism etc etc to keep our country ticking over nicely
DCB
Well-known member
I can remember sitting in a office within the old Scottish Office at Victoria Quay way back in Sept 97 on the afternoon day that the result of the referendum was announced. A resounding Yes - Yes vote to the two questions. The guy I was in meeting said something I've never forgotten, but his last words were " this will come back and bite us on the backside"
It was never going to be the old boys debating club that some thought and hoped it would be and unfortunately, less than 20 years later it really does look like it will bite us on the bum this time round !
It was never going to be the old boys debating club that some thought and hoped it would be and unfortunately, less than 20 years later it really does look like it will bite us on the bum this time round !
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
May will become PM but there will be no general election. Genuinely have no idea if she will go ahead and invoke article 50 or if the EU will cave in before and offer us enough compromises to go anywhere near enough to creating a situation where the government ignores the democratic vote and holds a second referendum.
If we do invoke article 50 then Scotland will have another referendum and vote to leave the UK. The UK's whole mechanism of government and civil service would then be tied up for years untangling the legal mess of separating from the EU and the UK dissolving, meaning they will have very little time to do anything else proactively. In the mean time the country will become slightly less tolerant and inclusive as we are witnessing now with the increase in race related crimes over the last week. Some people who are looking for any excuse will think there is now more of a legitimacy to distrust foreigners. This will be seized upon by the extreme far right parties who may well become more prevalent. And the heady days of London 2012 where I would argue we were as near to being 'Great Britain' as we have been for decades will seem like a lifetime away.
Yes we will still trade with countries, but over time we will be a much less influential country on the international scale in terms of our politics, economics and trade. Major companies that were in the UK because of it's easy access to the EU will relocate and our economy/GDP will shrink overall.
Yes there may well be slightly fewer immigrants over here and we will be able to make our own laws instead of doing what we mostly did before, just adopting the vast majority of laws and directives from the EU without any objection. But there will still be long NHS waiting lists, there will still be not enough houses, people will still be on benefits instead of doing the jobs that the immigrants allegedly steal from them. The lot of most of the people who mostly voted to leave as they were disaffected and wanted to register a protest vote will not improve in any way. Apart from possibly seeing one or two fewer European immigrants on their high street once in a while.
Oh and the Daily Express and Mail will have to find someone else to demonise instead of immigrants.
A pessimist is never disappointed, I'm a right barrel of laughs me.
If we do invoke article 50 then Scotland will have another referendum and vote to leave the UK. The UK's whole mechanism of government and civil service would then be tied up for years untangling the legal mess of separating from the EU and the UK dissolving, meaning they will have very little time to do anything else proactively. In the mean time the country will become slightly less tolerant and inclusive as we are witnessing now with the increase in race related crimes over the last week. Some people who are looking for any excuse will think there is now more of a legitimacy to distrust foreigners. This will be seized upon by the extreme far right parties who may well become more prevalent. And the heady days of London 2012 where I would argue we were as near to being 'Great Britain' as we have been for decades will seem like a lifetime away.
Yes we will still trade with countries, but over time we will be a much less influential country on the international scale in terms of our politics, economics and trade. Major companies that were in the UK because of it's easy access to the EU will relocate and our economy/GDP will shrink overall.
Yes there may well be slightly fewer immigrants over here and we will be able to make our own laws instead of doing what we mostly did before, just adopting the vast majority of laws and directives from the EU without any objection. But there will still be long NHS waiting lists, there will still be not enough houses, people will still be on benefits instead of doing the jobs that the immigrants allegedly steal from them. The lot of most of the people who mostly voted to leave as they were disaffected and wanted to register a protest vote will not improve in any way. Apart from possibly seeing one or two fewer European immigrants on their high street once in a while.
Oh and the Daily Express and Mail will have to find someone else to demonise instead of immigrants.
A pessimist is never disappointed, I'm a right barrel of laughs me.
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May will become PM but there will be no general election. Genuinely have no idea if she will go ahead and invoke article 50 or if the EU will cave in before and offer us enough compromises to go anywhere near enough to creating a situation where the government ignores the democratic vote and holds a second referendum.
If we do invoke article 50 then Scotland will have another referendum and vote to leave the UK. The UK's whole mechanism of government and civil service would then be tied up for years untangling the legal mess of separating from the EU and the UK dissolving, meaning they will have very little time to do anything else proactively. In the mean time the country will become slightly less tolerant and inclusive as we are witnessing now with the increase in race related crimes over the last week. Some people who are looking for any excuse will think there is now more of a legitimacy to distrust foreigners. This will be seized upon by the extreme far right parties who may well become more prevalent. And the heady days of London 2012 where I would argue we were as near to being 'Great Britain' as we have been for decades will seem like a lifetime away.
Yes we will still trade with countries, but over time we will be a much less influential country on the international scale in terms of our politics, economics and trade. Major companies that were in the UK because of it's easy access to the EU will relocate and our economy/GDP will shrink overall.
Yes there will be fewer immigrants over here and we will be able to make our own laws instead of doing what we mostly did before, just adopting the vast majority of laws and directives from the EU without any objection. But there will still be long NHS waiting lists, there will still be not enough houses, people will still be on benefits instead of doing the jobs that the immigrants allegedly steal from them. The lot of most of the people who mostly voted to leave as they were disaffected and wanted to register a protest vote will not improve in any way. Apart from possibly seeing fewer European immigrants on their high street.
Oh and the Daily Express and Mail will have to find someone else to demonise instead of immigrants.
A pessimist is never disappointed, I'm a right barrel of laughs me.
Well said. I fear a return to the early 70's, when the UK was a mess, not far short from the modern day Greece. And our European neighbours not laughing at us as they did then but actually, cynically, turning the knife a little.
bobmac
Major Champion
This thread is about what the 'remainers' would like to see happen.
If you have any rants and tales of gloom and doom, take it to the EU thread.
Thank you
If you have any rants and tales of gloom and doom, take it to the EU thread.
Thank you
This although I also share your doubt
Crazyface
Tour Winner
If May does not invoke Article 50 then she will have shown herself to be non democratic. Also, it the Scottish poison dwarf asks for another referendum, she also will show herself to be non democratic. Scotland voted to remain in the UK and everything that goes with it. If they do not want to have UK democracy they should remove themselves from the Houses of Parliament with immediate effect.
Crazyface
Tour Winner
not a chance. May will be PM which is what she has wanted for ever. Once in power she most certainly will not call a GE.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
OK fair point. I would like to see parliament take a vote on it and decide that in the best interests of the country they will not invoke article 50. But on balance I don't think that will happen.
DCB
Well-known member
1. What would you like to happen next?
UK negotiate some form of deal for life outside the EU that still gives us some of the benefits. It'll take a lot of horsetrading but it could happen.
2. Do you think it will happen?
UK will be removed with no beneficial deal. UK will cease to exist in its current form.
UK negotiate some form of deal for life outside the EU that still gives us some of the benefits. It'll take a lot of horsetrading but it could happen.
2. Do you think it will happen?
UK will be removed with no beneficial deal. UK will cease to exist in its current form.
NWJocko
Tour Winner
Saves me typing it
Point 2 means I may well end up back in Scotland, never thought that was going to happen.........
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