Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
I am really astonished that in 2015 we still have to put up with this £92m a year racket.
Austerity should start at their red carpeted doorstep.
Austerity should start at their red carpeted doorstep.
The House of Lords
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MegaSteve
Tour Winner
If the choice was between the House of Lords @ £93M per annum or the EU @ £50M+ per DAY I know what I'd want rid of first...
chrisd
Major Champion
I'm not against a second chamber but I'm sure that they should cut the numbers down significantly
Fyldewhite
Tour Winner
At around 0.1% of the NHS budget I don't think the money is the issue. A second chamber of whatever kind wouldn't come without cost and I do think a second "safety net" chamber is probably sensible, especially with FPTP system in the commons. So it always comes down to what would we replace it with? Not sure there's an easy answer to that as each side has their vested interests. Probably won't happen anytime soon.
It's the use of it as a reward for services rendered and all the cronyism that goes with that (on all sides) that gets me. Seb Coe has been in the news a lot recently and I always find myself asking "he's an honourable chap and has done a lot of good stuff......but Lord Coe???? how the hell did than happen"?
It's the use of it as a reward for services rendered and all the cronyism that goes with that (on all sides) that gets me. Seb Coe has been in the news a lot recently and I always find myself asking "he's an honourable chap and has done a lot of good stuff......but Lord Coe???? how the hell did than happen"?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Is the cost of staffing and maintaining the HoL included in the £92m a year figure - or is that the cost of maintaining the Lords and Ladies? And Michelle Mone - pleeeaze!
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Whilst I disagree with her politics, she is a relatively young and very successful female entrepreneur, so best of luck to her. And I am quite happy people like who can act as a great role model that are getting into the HOL as opposed to it just being a reward for senile old career politicians. As they will bring a much needed 'realism' and life experience to the whole thing.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I think that if you look into her background she isn't as successful as she'd like you to believe. Her appointment as 'start up czar' has caused a bit of a stushie amongst the business community in Scotland. But no doubt Cameron is very clear on her assets.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...udgement-over-new-role-for-Michelle-Mone.html
Ethan
Money List Winner
A completely spurious choice intended to detail the discussion.
The HoL is currently designed to house political failures and rejected and reward donors and patrons. It is utterly anti-democratic and an anachronism.
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
When they say "Business leaders", they mean one guy who runs a mid size company (and sounds like a Yes voter, based on the fact he brought up the referendum), and one person "who is not named". Doesn't sound like business leaders to me.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Exactly. I like the quote
Because she is flogging bras and knickers she gets models, and she gets PR way ahead of anything she should get.I can live with that because it is fun and games, but when the Prime Minister is wanting to elevate her to the House of Lords it makes a complete mockery of the whole business. He must have lost his marbles.â€
As if there is a right way to get PR (no doubt done by a sensible old man in a business suit being very serious by hiring out tools) and a wrong way ('by flogging bras and knickers' as he very condescendingly puts it). Sounds like the usual casual sexism and pathetic witterings of a bitter and very jealous old man.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Lady Moan has very few friends or supporters in Scotland.
Very bitter lady, full of self promotion and poor wee me stuff.
Cameron is well out of touch with public opinion with this choice, and a few others it seems.
No surprise there I suppose.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Definitely 'designed' to do so, but there are certainly a number of those types in there!
However, the actual act by Cameron of 'stacking the deck' demonstrates that he's not averse to using un-democratic methods himself! There is actually no need to do what he has done, for anything legislation relating to items in the Conservative Manifesto - as HoL merely reviews that for anomolies rather than the detailed exam gives non-Manifesto legislation.
Life Peers now vastly outnumber Hereditary/'Spiritual' ones, so that argument no longer applies imo. Most of those actually appointed are leaders in their spheres and there is certainly a need for moderation of contentious legislation in the FPTP system. The actual powers are limited, so the elected assembly still has final say, if it wants to push the legislation through badly enough!
I'm actually a fan of the HoL! To me, it provides a good and moderating balance to any nasties that a particular (undemocratic in its own way) Commons majority may generate. The appointments are generally high quality and the 'un-democratic' argument is a bit spurious given the method of selecting the actual constituents of the Commons is not all that 'democratic' either! Of the 600+ members in that House, what influence did any individual member of the public have over the appointment of any of them?! And after the election, the Executive - Cabinet - is appointed/re-shuffled at the whim of a single person! So that's not particularly 'democratic' either. And do many, or indeed any, MPs actually poll their constituents for their opinions on how to vote on issues not raised during the election process? That's arguably un-democratic too!
I'm not knocking the Commons system btw. Simply pointing out some of the 'misconceptions' that that is significantly more 'democratic' than the HoL!
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FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Sounds more like you who's bitter. She spoke out against independence and the mob rounded on her.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
When I was in Glasgow recently for two weeks I read a lot of comment from quite a number of different sources in the business community about her - and I don't think I read (m)any that were very complimentary. So my link wasn't selective.
Some government spokesman stated that she has an excellent track record of success in business - but when asked to provide evidence of that excellent track record nothing was forthcoming. Because she doesn't have one - well she has a track record but it ain't that excellent.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Anyone in any doubt about her.......just check out her record on the interwebby.
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CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
No offence SILH, but you tell us a lot of things "you hear". Magically you seem to know a lot of relevant people at the rught time.
As Fd said, she was. Very much No in the ref, doesn't surprise me there are a vocal few who don't like her... (Wonder which way they voted)
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Hogan is correct with what he is saying, it was quite a big story up here when she jumped the gun with the peerage announcement a couple of weeks ago.
As I say, check her on Wikki and other places before jumping in, gives you a bit more insight as to the kind of person she is.
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Farneyman
Tour Winner
House of Lords = corruption and lies. :rant:
chippa1909
Head Pro
Perhaps a parade should be organised for the newly announced Lords and Ladies to meet their adoring public. After all they are paying for them.
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alexbrownmp
Head Pro
Michele Mone is a successful failed business person.
she allegedly treated her staff badly, some had offices bugged (public record), her business's made huge losses and the last few years trading with mjm etc was advised on a cash only basis.
Please dont bring the referendum into it, its not relevant.
She is a failed business women who looked good and was good at PR, fair play to her, we all have to make a living.
anyone watch her on celebrity the apprentice? it was embarrassing.
Her new role and the peerage is an insult though in my opinion
she allegedly treated her staff badly, some had offices bugged (public record), her business's made huge losses and the last few years trading with mjm etc was advised on a cash only basis.
Please dont bring the referendum into it, its not relevant.
She is a failed business women who looked good and was good at PR, fair play to her, we all have to make a living.
anyone watch her on celebrity the apprentice? it was embarrassing.
Her new role and the peerage is an insult though in my opinion
