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I genuinely thought the 15 mins Henderson played he tried to drive us forward and was trying to get other players to step up.

As much as I rate Rice and Philips, Henderson brings leadership to the side that they haven’t yet developed.
 

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I thought it was obvious but the point of bringing Henderson on was to switch from 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1, and allow us to start using a number 10 (pushing Mount further forward). And Foden was also pushed further forward on the left.
 

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I thought it was obvious but the point of bringing Henderson on was to switch from 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1, and allow us to start using a number 10 (pushing Mount further forward). And Foden was also pushed further forward on the left.
That’s fine if he hadn’t of brought off Kane, if you are going to push players up, you need to have the strikers capable of getting on the end and personally I’d rather have a 70% Harry Kane or Raheem Sterling than a 100% Tammy Abraham.

I’d of took of Mount for Henderson, give Foden a free role and told Kane and Sterling to stay on their last man.
 

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That’s fine if he hadn’t of brought off Kane, if you are going to push players up, you need to have the strikers capable of getting on the end and personally I’d rather have a 70% Harry Kane or Raheem Sterling than a 100% Tammy Abraham.

I’d of took of Mount for Henderson, give Foden a free role and told Kane and Sterling to stay on their last man.
Obviously I'm biased towards Kane but I think most others in this thread were disagreeing last night and asking for Kane to be taken off. Abraham was in a bit of form having scored in the previous game I suppose. But he's definitely nowhere near the same level as Kane. A lot of people seem to think the team should be chosen purely on form, but I think certain players transcend that by simply having a much higher base level of ability. i.e. the most damning thing isn't that Kane's off form, it's that there's no one else really good enough to challenge him for a start. Vardy is the only other one who's probably good enough, he's long been out of the set-up now but even at his age he's still the next best English striker. It's a shame his career didn't really kick off until he was already 28 really!
 

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Obviously I'm biased towards Kane but I think most others in this thread were disagreeing last night and asking for Kane to be taken off. Abraham was in a bit of form having scored in the previous game I suppose. But he's definitely nowhere near the same level as Kane. A lot of people seem to think the team should be chosen purely on form, but I think certain players transcend that by simply having a much higher base level of ability. i.e. the most damning thing isn't that Kane's off form, it's that there's no one else really good enough to challenge him for a start. Vardy is the only other one who's probably good enough, he's long been out of the set-up now but even at his age he's still the next best English striker. It's a shame his career didn't really kick off until he was already 28 really!
Give form players a chance by all means, but producing it on the International Stage is totally different, DCL had a great season for us last year and rightly deserved a place in the squad, but he doesn’t carry the presence or threat of Kane or even Sterling.

Abraham scored against Andorra, maybe the mistake was resting the first XI and not giving them the confidence boost of getting amongst the goals.

Sterling is another one who’s never let England down and on another night he’d of took a couple of the chances he had last night.

Mount, doesn’t impress me, he seems inconsistent with Chelsea, Sancho is not playing well, maybe the step up to Utd is one step too far.

Last night was a one off, but for the time being, barring injuries, Kane and Sterling would start up front for the last 2 qualifiers.

Play with the squad over the next 9 months, but make sure we qualify first.

Sadly, Southgate was correct in his interview in that he’ll get murdered whatever team he picks.
 
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At the end of the day, Hungary posed us a question that neither the players, nor the manager had the wit to solve.

We have become predictable in that when we get the ball wide, if there is no route through, the ball gets recycled backwards, across the back four and down the other flank where Grealish will then find his route blocked, track backwards, run infield with the ball, find he has nowhere to go, lays the ball back to the central defenders, gets recycled among the back four and we start again....repeat for 70 minutes before changing to plan B which is essentially plan A but with different players.

No one makes darting runs into the box because they know in all likelihood that the ball isn't coming in. The ball doesn't go in because there are no runs into the box. Indeed...how can Kane make a run into the box when he spends half his time in midfield. Basically, the team is too static and rigid....there's not enough movement up front to pull defenders around and create space for other players. Its not a formation issue...its an intelligence, tactics, vision and movement issue.
 

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Southgate is not tactically smart enough/ a good enough coach to get the best out of the players at his disposal.

The England team on display last night should be a top 3 premier league side, steamrolling teams. We should not need 2 holding midfielders to keep Hungary at bay. End of.

Started the right team for the first time ever - should have seen Sancho for Sterling and Tammy for Kane after 60 mins though.
 

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As much as the result last night was disappointing, we didn’t lose, remember this Hungary side took points off both France and Germany in the Euros and were holding Portugal at 0-0 until the 84th minute.

A few weeks back we beat them 4-0 away, these results performances happen.

No international or Club side wins every match.

They managed to get a draw with a penalty with a good display and I don’t remember Pickford having anything else to do, we could of easily won that match 2/3-1 with the same disappointing performance.

I think once again England fans are over-reacting and maybe believing we are better than we actually are.
 

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As much as the result last night was disappointing, we didn’t lose, remember this Hungary side took points off both France and Germany in the Euros and were holding Portugal at 0-0 until the 84th minute.

A few weeks back we beat them 4-0 away, these results performances happen.

No international or Club side wins every match.

They managed to get a draw with a penalty with a good display and I don’t remember Pickford having anything else to do, we could of easily won that match 2/3-1 with the same disappointing performance.

I think once again England fans are over-reacting and maybe believing we are better than we actually are.
Totally agree with this. As I mentioned in a previous post, Hungary did their homework. They saw the threat in Foden and made sure he was quickly closed down every time he got the ball in the first half. He had a bit more freedom in the 2nd half but they dealt with any threat really well.
As the saying goes, "We can't win 'Em all!
 

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He's barely played in fairness.
This is what I don't understand. Why would Utd pay over £70 million for a player and then not give him game time? I assume that Ole wanted him, rather than it being a board decision, so if you're spending that kind of cash it has to be on a first choice player. There are very few clubs, apart from PSG, Man City and Newcastle, that can afford to spend over £70 million for a squad player to sit on the bench. It seems as though they wanted to buy him but haven't worked out, or can't work out the best way to fit him into the team. He looked fantastic last season at Dortmund which is why Utd paid so much for him so why not look at where they were using him to get those performances and then replicate that. If you've got a front five of Ronaldo, Fernandes, Pogba, Sancho and Rashford/Greenwood and you still don't look dangerous going forward then you've got problems.
 

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This is what I don't understand. Why would Utd pay over £70 million for a player and then not give him game time? I assume that Ole wanted him, rather than it being a board decision, so if you're spending that kind of cash it has to be on a first choice player. There are very few clubs, apart from PSG, Man City and Newcastle, that can afford to spend over £70 million for a squad player to sit on the bench. It seems as though they wanted to buy him but haven't worked out, or can't work out the best way to fit him into the team. He looked fantastic last season at Dortmund which is why Utd paid so much for him so why not look at where they were using him to get those performances and then replicate that. If you've got a front five of Ronaldo, Fernandes, Pogba, Sancho and Rashford/Greenwood and you still don't look dangerous going forward then you've got problems.
It's blatantly obvious to me, the manager hasn't got a scooby where or how to get him into the side.

I don't know what fans were expecting Sancho to do in such a short amount of time he's been given.

Even if he takes 6 months to settle which a lot of good players do, if managed right here's there 10yrs minimum.
 
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